Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple
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Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?
Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?
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Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I'd rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won't do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.
Or.... live in a place or advocate for a place where spyware cars arent a necessity for simply existing.....
When something is 100% required for life, someone WILL exploit it
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Both cars support oppressive dictators, but one is cheaper, supports CarPlay / Android auto, and has actually buttons for things.
BYD cars don't have very many buttons either. See here. They're tablets on wheels too. I quite dislike BYD interiors.
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I don't think it is laughable.
A new cargo is 5000€ and you can find used or discounted ones for less than 3000€.
A used car will cost far more in repairs, insurance and gas, my 2010 car is valued around 3000€ and it costs us around 1000-1500€/year.
I don't think bikes can replace cars for everyone, but many people could use a bike instead or their car 95% of the time, when we see that so much people use a car for less than 5 km.
Only concern is safety to use a bike in the middle of fast cars, but a proper infrastructure (separated bike lanes) solves it for a fraction of the cost of roads and parking places.
You're just pulling stats out of your ass here. What you're doing with your cargo bike in winter? Or summer heat? The cargo bike cult really thinks most of the world is a small town in central Europe when most of the world on avg is mountains in Indonesia.
I swear the sole reason e-bikes are not as big as they should be is the obnoxiously ignorant user base.
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in 2024 in the west they were falling still. Europe stats are strong for all EVs. Should not be Tesla vs BYD. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/29/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-world-except-china-in-ev-adoption/ 29% growth in first half of the year, and even higher in July. BEVs+Hybrids is almost 60% of sales. PHEV+BEV 24%, which is much higher than US, though behind China. Total car sales up, while ICE sales down.
European brands doing well. I don't know the prices of every model, but they have to be providing value to be doing so well.
Most of my car friends won't touch an EV still here in the UK because the infrastructure isn't good enough, and those same friends won't touch a Chinese car either. Only a few have tried Tesla and all have got rid. Currently in the UK if you are a company car person you'd be mad not to get an EV as they are subsidised so much, but equally mad to get one as your only personal car as the charging network is shocking still. When here it is MORE expensive to charge an EV whilst out and about than fuel a petrol car something is seriously wrong
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Jenson Huang; Hold my beer!
Best AI beer the world has ever seen!
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Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?
Cool. Now provide us with sources. Besides buzzword banger articles I haven’t seen hard proof. At least not more than other brands. Meanwhile Tesla has been doing this for training their self driving and we’ve been fine with it. And so do most cars under the norm of telemetry data.
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You're just pulling stats out of your ass here. What you're doing with your cargo bike in winter? Or summer heat? The cargo bike cult really thinks most of the world is a small town in central Europe when most of the world on avg is mountains in Indonesia.
I swear the sole reason e-bikes are not as big as they should be is the obnoxiously ignorant user base.
"The cargo bike cult really thinks most of the world is a small town in central Europe when most of the world on avg is mountains in Indonesia." - agreed, they can still go to other countries in Europe and make the same claim. I'd love to see them bike in winter on the Atlantic coast.
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I am discussing why China is dominating the EV market in Europe.
They are not, actually very far from it. VW group is. China market share was very tiny, and is now growing. And Tesla has collapsed. So Byd has surpassed Tesla now.
But the big winners are mostly European, and then Hyundai/KIA, and now Toyota has finally made a good BEV, so they will increase their BEV marketshare too of course.Was gonna say this as well. The Asian brands that have dominated the eu markets still do so. Vw as well, even after their eco blue debacle.
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BYD cars don't have very many buttons either. See here. They're tablets on wheels too. I quite dislike BYD interiors.
True, but that thing is like a fighter jet compared to Telsa’s void of emptiness. 14 controls on the wheel (and they’re labeled), real controls for drive modes, there are basic climate controls on the center console, you can manually adjust fan orientation, etc.
It’s still overly reliant on touch, but I’d easily take that over a Telsa.
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Yes, they're cheap because the competition is higher end vehicles.
No they're not. They're cheap because they're subsidized.
But they're not cheap after the tariffs. Yes, cheaper than German luxury cars, but not cheaper than comparable cars.
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I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.
Lemmy is weird. As long as you're on the dogpile against the current "big bad" of the week, you're good to go. Fuck Tesla? Then let's buy Chinese products.
It's insane, but it's where we are.
It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.
Let's not forget that they are actively committing genocide against the Uighur. I don't think they are the "lesser evil".
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Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I'd rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won't do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.
Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data
Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state...
I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America
Ignorance at it's best. You'd rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.
Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don't think it's worse than genocide, mate.
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True, but that thing is like a fighter jet compared to Telsa’s void of emptiness. 14 controls on the wheel (and they’re labeled), real controls for drive modes, there are basic climate controls on the center console, you can manually adjust fan orientation, etc.
It’s still overly reliant on touch, but I’d easily take that over a Telsa.
Meh. I would not take either. In fact I actually didn't. I went to a showroom and got inside their EVs and PHEVs while looking for a car. My immediate reaction after sitting in the driver's seat of their PHEV was "I don't want to drive this". Same thing with the pure EV. I'll give you the wheel, but those A/C controls next to the "shifter" are touch surfaces instead of actual buttons, and they're just as annoying and worthless as touchscreen controls. Which is sad because those cars have fantastic stats on paper and very competitive prices. Unfortunately most EVs on the market have fucking stupid interior designs. Very often you have to choose between affordable and well designed. Not very many that are both.
In the end I decided not to buy a new car at all. Still got my 2015 Leon.
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Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?
The evidence is in the fact that it's a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).
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Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?
Hyundai has been pretty good. And I only hear good things about Rivian and Lucid.
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Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
A bike costs a fraction of a car
Bicycle infrastructure building and maintenance costs a fraction of that for cars
Bicycles don't emit CO2. And for those wise asses saying that the cyclist does, it's a fraction of a fraction of a car because you're not lugging 2 tonnes of stell around to transport you and a bottle of milk.
Cycling infrastructure is much more efficient, you can push a shit tonne more people over the same road if you don't need big ass cars. Yes, even your Mercedes smart car is I ass compared to a bicycle
It creates much much less pollution from tire dust
It's much safer, bicycles kill only a fraction of the people that cars kill all year round
It's healthier, people do exercise not because they went to the gym, but all day every day with their bikes
It cuts the noise pollution
It's cheaper because no taxes, no gas needed, maintenance is a fraction of that of a car.
It's way less wasteful
It lowers aggression. Though it may or may not exist, I've never heard of bicycle road rage
Need more?
Less cars is less parking spaces. Parking spaces get cities barely any taxable income. Instead of these ugly ass concrete wasteland parkitsoaces you can now have restaurants with outside patios which can be taxed. Couple that with the cheaper infrastructure, and that alone should be an obvious reason as to why do this
It's really not that much slower. For typical short trips, bicycles usually only add some 10-20% of required time to your trip.
For any trip over say, 5-10 kilometers, use good public transportation
For those once in a lifetime trips where you actually need a car because you need to transport something huge, use one of those Evo rent-a-car.
In the Netherlands, a huge amount of people don't have a car. Not because they can't (they totally can) but because it's stupid to have one. You can go everywhere by bike, you can jump with your bike in a train when needed to go further, cars are expensive and bad for everyone, why even have one?
Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
Not everyone live in a big city where there is everything you need in terms of grocery and services.
Living in a small city, I can walk to do most of my day by day routine, but I need a car to be able to go where there are services/shops that are not present. And being a small city the public transportation or every solution where you just rent the car/bike/whatever to use a couple of hours are not really present since it is not economically sustainable (too few people spreaded on a relatively too big area)
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My only gripe with that car is that it looks really bland. Then again I am no James Dean where I sit with two kids seats with the back full of shopping
I think it's a good looking car. My problem with it is chademo. It's unfortunately the betamax of plugs.
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But they're not cheap after the tariffs. Yes, cheaper than German luxury cars, but not cheaper than comparable cars.
Yes. They are. Significantly.
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Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data
Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state...
I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America
Ignorance at it's best. You'd rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.
Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don't think it's worse than genocide, mate.
Ignorance is bliss I guess? New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data. This is not a secret or anything.
I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It's terrible. But I'm pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history.
