I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

Or.... live in a place or advocate for a place where spyware cars arent a necessity for simply existing.....

When something is 100% required for life, someone WILL exploit it

Or still actively occupy Tibet, how conveniently everyone forgot that but yay a slightly cheaper car!

Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren’t subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.

And is even cheaper if someone else pay 30% of what you need to spend to build a car. So you can sell the car 30% less than others and still make a profit (maybe).

It is not a mystery that CCP subsidizes a lot of domestic EVs (among other things like solar panel) to become the dominant player in the market.
What would be interesting to see is what will happen after they become the dominant player.

Most of my car friends won't touch an EV still here in the UK because the infrastructure isn't good enough, and those same friends won't touch a Chinese car either. Only a few have tried Tesla and all have got rid. Currently in the UK if you are a company car person you'd be mad not to get an EV as they are subsidised so much, but equally mad to get one as your only personal car as the charging network is shocking still. When here it is MORE expensive to charge an EV whilst out and about than fuel a petrol car something is seriously wrong

Well, I must have been super unlucky then as I have talked about it with like 5 different Chinese met at 5 different circumstances

I'm happy you have this privilidge but reality is majority of the world doesn't. E-bikes are still not accessible to most and that'll continue to be the way because the tech is fundamentally flawed without fundamental architecture redesign which will take decades at least.

Why would someone who doesn't live in China give a shit about Chinese spyware, especially when the alternative is any of the big US/EU manufacturers who happily hand your information to your own government?

China can't do shit to yall. I'd include myself in there, but I quite enjoyed my time in China and intend to return, so Chinese spyware could actually be a threat to me.

I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

I don't think it is laughable.

A new cargo is 5000€ and you can find used or discounted ones for less than 3000€.

A used car will cost far more in repairs, insurance and gas, my 2010 car is valued around 3000€ and it costs us around 1000-1500€/year.

I don't think bikes can replace cars for everyone, but many people could use a bike instead or their car 95% of the time, when we see that so much people use a car for less than 5 km.

Only concern is safety to use a bike in the middle of fast cars, but a proper infrastructure (separated bike lanes) solves it for a fraction of the cost of roads and parking places.

The tech is flawed? Bicycles are the most efficient mode of transportation bar none. E-Bikes just have a very efficient motor slapped onto them. It's not the tech. I also don't believe it's the climate because I know for a fact that more and more people are commuting by bike in the Philippines. If they can do it in 37 °C heat at 99% humidity and maximum exhaust fumes, then so can you.

That said, infrastructure is the biggest flaw. And that's something that can be changed within a couple of years, as long as people are willing to do so. The Netherlands were a car-brain shit hole in the 70s, and they made a 180 and live in fucking paradise.

Of course there are many things that absolutely require a car, but groceries isn't one of those, unless you live in the soulless suburban sprawl that you see so often in the USA.

What, do you want to bring back the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas? I haven't been to Tibet, but I really doubt the average person wants what you seem to want for them.

It is not a mystery how propaganda gets started.

Steel is 1/3 the price as US. Alumnium 1/2. Markets with Futures trading. There's over 300 car companies in China. They are not all directly subsidized. There is state involved ownership (from factory building) in Steel, but they make money at market prices.

I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

There is state involved ownership (from factory building) in Steel, but they make money at market prices.

They make money because they can write off 30% of the cost of the car being paid from someone else, in one form or another.

when compared with elon's nazi spyware?