in 2024 in the west they were falling still. Europe stats are strong for all EVs. Should not be Tesla vs BYD. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/29/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-world-except-china-in-ev-adoption/ 29% growth in first half of the year, and even higher in July. BEVs+Hybrids is almost 60% of sales. PHEV+BEV 24%, which is much higher than US, though behind China. Total car sales up, while ICE sales down.

European brands doing well. I don't know the prices of every model, but they have to be providing value to be doing so well.

Jenson Huang; Hold my beer!

Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?

You're just pulling stats out of your ass here. What you're doing with your cargo bike in winter? Or summer heat? The cargo bike cult really thinks most of the world is a small town in central Europe when most of the world on avg is mountains in Indonesia.

I swear the sole reason e-bikes are not as big as they should be is the obnoxiously ignorant user base.

I am discussing why China is dominating the EV market in Europe.

They are not, actually very far from it. VW group is. China market share was very tiny, and is now growing. And Tesla has collapsed. So Byd has surpassed Tesla now.
But the big winners are mostly European, and then Hyundai/KIA, and now Toyota has finally made a good BEV, so they will increase their BEV marketshare too of course.

BYD cars don't have very many buttons either. See here. They're tablets on wheels too. I quite dislike BYD interiors.

Yes, they're cheap because the competition is higher end vehicles.

No they're not. They're cheap because they're subsidized.

I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I'd rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won't do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.

True, but that thing is like a fighter jet compared to Telsa’s void of emptiness. 14 controls on the wheel (and they’re labeled), real controls for drive modes, there are basic climate controls on the center console, you can manually adjust fan orientation, etc.

It’s still overly reliant on touch, but I’d easily take that over a Telsa.

Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?

Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?

Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.

A bike costs a fraction of a car

Bicycle infrastructure building and maintenance costs a fraction of that for cars

Bicycles don't emit CO2. And for those wise asses saying that the cyclist does, it's a fraction of a fraction of a car because you're not lugging 2 tonnes of stell around to transport you and a bottle of milk.

Cycling infrastructure is much more efficient, you can push a shit tonne more people over the same road if you don't need big ass cars. Yes, even your Mercedes smart car is I ass compared to a bicycle

It creates much much less pollution from tire dust

It's much safer, bicycles kill only a fraction of the people that cars kill all year round

It's healthier, people do exercise not because they went to the gym, but all day every day with their bikes

It cuts the noise pollution

It's cheaper because no taxes, no gas needed, maintenance is a fraction of that of a car.

It's way less wasteful

It lowers aggression. Though it may or may not exist, I've never heard of bicycle road rage

Need more?

Less cars is less parking spaces. Parking spaces get cities barely any taxable income. Instead of these ugly ass concrete wasteland parkitsoaces you can now have restaurants with outside patios which can be taxed. Couple that with the cheaper infrastructure, and that alone should be an obvious reason as to why do this

It's really not that much slower. For typical short trips, bicycles usually only add some 10-20% of required time to your trip.

For any trip over say, 5-10 kilometers, use good public transportation

For those once in a lifetime trips where you actually need a car because you need to transport something huge, use one of those Evo rent-a-car.

In the Netherlands, a huge amount of people don't have a car. Not because they can't (they totally can) but because it's stupid to have one. You can go everywhere by bike, you can jump with your bike in a train when needed to go further, cars are expensive and bad for everyone, why even have one?

My only gripe with that car is that it looks really bland. Then again I am no James Dean where I sit with two kids seats with the back full of shopping

But they're not cheap after the tariffs. Yes, cheaper than German luxury cars, but not cheaper than comparable cars.

Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data

Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state...

I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America

Ignorance at it's best. You'd rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.

Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don't think it's worse than genocide, mate.

CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs

Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren't subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.

Prices are not absurdly lower than western cars. Maybe $5k less for equivalent to Tesla, and

which basically forces people to buy them

a key program in China is not from CCP. City governments give licence plates to EVs letting them drive every day. There is a trade in incentive, and sales tax break, still, afaik, but all of that is less than what US had, and EVs without subsidies are cheaper than ICE vehicles, as they are starting to be in the west as well.

You are being downvoted because you don't know what you're talking about, and "everyone's a tankie" for not being as uninformed or propagandized as you.

Ignorance is bliss I guess? New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data. This is not a secret or anything.

I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It's terrible. But I'm pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history.

The ebike option meme is so laughable. I recently did some research on cargo bikes and the entry models cost as much as a used ICE car with no air con, no rain cover, no heating, no safety. Ebike people are straight up delusional in thinking this is ready to replace cars.

Getting a second hand ice car is objectively the best thing you can do right now for everyone involved unless you ride half a million km a year.

The evidence is in the fact that it's a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).