Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple
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Yeah, I'm not engaging with someone who deals in personal insults and bad faith arguments. Goodbye.
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No. Your argument is for fools. The argument that a country with a population of 345 million produces less carbon dioxide to pollute the planet’s atmosphere with than a country of 1.42 billion people is nonsense and contributes nothing to any conversation at all. The per capita comparison is what matters, but it’s not used by the people that just really want us to believe “China == bad”. Seems like they’re successful at it based on this interaction, sadly.
Oh okay so basically you were wrong but it doesn't matter. And I've been duped into hating a communist dictatorship that censors all public discourse and has exploited slave wages for the last several decades. Got it.
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Good. I hate the global economy.
And maybe if the western countries had a lick of sense it wouldn’t end up this way. But we got addicted to cheap plastic crap and let the Chinese leapfrog us.
Because if we’d left decarbonization to the west it would never have happened.
Good. I hate the global economy.
I have no response to this.
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Yeah, I'm not engaging with someone who deals in personal insults and bad faith arguments. Goodbye.
Said a guy making up fake numbers to try to win an online argument.
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I didn't word anything poorly, you just read it poorly.
doesn't matter if it's subsidized since as I said, they are hit by tarrifs in the EU so they don't undercut the market
It does matter because tariffs do not even come close to making them even. Seriously, have you considered at all the economics of this? Do you think the Chinese are such fucking savants that they're able to produce these cars basically for fucking free?
nice job with your totally not obvious downvoting with your alt account.
Oh, honey...
I am not reading that, like I said I am done.
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I am not reading that, like I said I am done.
Then stop replying to me.
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Quick Elon, buy the President of Europe! /s
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China spending 1/20 of what the US does to subsidize cars isn't relevant? Sure thing buddy.
The whole point of all of these "china is only dominating in EV sales due to subsidies" comments is to throw shade on China's impressive progress in clean tech. A contrast of their subsidies vs other countries in the same space, motor vehicles, is entirely relevant.
I believe main goal of China investing in green tech is to show middle finger to oil and gas producers. China has virtually none of both oil and gas and so is reliant on import. With mostly green cars and electricity from water, sun and wind, they will have much, much better leverage in global say.
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Both cars support oppressive dictators, but one is cheaper, supports CarPlay / Android auto, and has actually buttons for things.
Pooh bear is actually starting to look less oppressive in comparison these last 7 months tbh
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Elon Musk: “I love ovens”
Jenson Huang; Hold my beer!
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CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs (and many other emerging technologies) which basically forces people to buy them, so it shouldn't be any surprise they're selling them like crazy. Meanwhile conservatives in the US are stripping incentives away.
E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real. I literally only spoke negatively of the US and yet I'm immediately blasted with their default replies; whataboutisms and false equivalencies about the US, in a conversation about the European market.
E2: please read up on Predatory Pricing before replying to me.
E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real
Yes they are, but in this case you are just wrong. I guarantee you I'm not a tankie, but I think it's pretty clear that USA has absolutely also subsidized electric cars, especially Tesla that has been generously subsidized in multiple ways, also subsidizing their charging network.
On top of that, USA has prevented a lot of outside competition with tariffs.All in all i am personally sick and tired of Americans always pointing fingers at the Chinese for doing the exact same thing Americans are doing.
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I have no interest in a pissing match over which country is the worst in the world, I am discussing why China is dominating the EV market in Europe.
I am discussing why China is dominating the EV market in Europe.
They are not, actually very far from it. VW group is. China market share was very tiny, and is now growing. And Tesla has collapsed. So Byd has surpassed Tesla now.
But the big winners are mostly European, and then Hyundai/KIA, and now Toyota has finally made a good BEV, so they will increase their BEV marketshare too of course. -
That's per Capita, China has like 30 billion more citizens.
Per capita is the measure that counts, why should Americans be allowed to put multiple times more CO2 into the air than other people?
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Come on Canada, let us have cheap BYD, fuck the US economy.
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LOOOOOLOLOLOL have you looked at China's greenhouse gas contributions lately? They don't give a fuck about the climate, they're just trying to drive other countries out of the market.
Maybe YOU should give another look at those figures.
Specially the ones relative to the % of new renewables put into production during the last years.
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That's because they're also heavily subsidizing that industry out of self-interest. That's the "emerging markets" I mentioned above.
They are subsiding the deployment of clean energy sources?
Good for them. And good for the world.
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That's per Capita, China has like 30 billion more citizens.
They also manufacture the rest of the world's shit. So all in all they're pretty clean for how big they are.
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CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs (and many other emerging technologies) which basically forces people to buy them, so it shouldn't be any surprise they're selling them like crazy. Meanwhile conservatives in the US are stripping incentives away.
E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real. I literally only spoke negatively of the US and yet I'm immediately blasted with their default replies; whataboutisms and false equivalencies about the US, in a conversation about the European market.
E2: please read up on Predatory Pricing before replying to me.
Also it's much easier to triple a small number than a big one.
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E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real
Yes they are, but in this case you are just wrong. I guarantee you I'm not a tankie, but I think it's pretty clear that USA has absolutely also subsidized electric cars, especially Tesla that has been generously subsidized in multiple ways, also subsidizing their charging network.
On top of that, USA has prevented a lot of outside competition with tariffs.All in all i am personally sick and tired of Americans always pointing fingers at the Chinese for doing the exact same thing Americans are doing.
Nope you are just wrong and intentionally spreading false equivalencies and making strawman arguments.
Let's put aside for a moment the fact that I only spoke negatively about the US (the discussion was about Europe), and instead focus on the fact that the US has subsidized electric vehicles from around the world to the tune of $1B in an effort to promote the sales of clean vehicles. China has subsidized to the tune of $230B for domestic vehicles only.
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Pooh bear is actually starting to look less oppressive in comparison these last 7 months tbh
To be fair, the CCP has already done a lot of armed crackdowns and disappearing. They’re in the phase where people are too scared to resist.
