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  • Why I think that 's latest release can be a game changer for the

    For years, before social media came along, forums were the main place to discuss with others on the internet. Communities were built, thrived, a few survived, most were swallowed by Reddit and Facebook groups.

    But there are still many websites/organizations/collectives who need an online space to talk with their members! Newspapers, workers unions, anarchist collectives, football fan clubs - all of those might already be running a forum, or would be open to running one. And now we have a great fedi solution for this, which is primarily a forum, but is also a gateway to the rest of fedi! Especially with the recent crap going on on mainstream social media (Zuckerberg's rightwing turn and Musk openly going full on nazi), I believe there is now an opportunity to suggest this to whatever kind of community you are involved in: "With this platform, we can have a forum for us, but also escape corporate social media!". It is a great idea.

    I am a little jealous, to be honest, as this was what I've been saying for years now, what I suggested back in
    , and what we wanted to do with - but I'm not a dev and the projects I've been involved in haven't managed to do much in this direction. @julian got there first - well done!

    Check out NodeBB, it's very nicely done, and I'm sure it will only get better, since they just released their first version with ActivityPub support. Think of any group/team you're in touch with that might consider hosting a (federated) forum, and suggest it to them! IMO federated communities are far more suitable and make much more sense for the Fediverse, instead of trying to conceptualize it as a kind of Twitter replacement, and they can serve the target of decentralization much better. Let's spread this!

  • Why I think that 's latest release can be a game changer for the

    For years, before social media came along, forums were the main place to discuss with others on the internet. Communities were built, thrived, a few survived, most were swallowed by Reddit and Facebook groups.

    But there are still many websites/organizations/collectives who need an online space to talk with their members! Newspapers, workers unions, anarchist collectives, football fan clubs - all of those might already be running a forum, or would be open to running one. And now we have a great fedi solution for this, which is primarily a forum, but is also a gateway to the rest of fedi! Especially with the recent crap going on on mainstream social media (Zuckerberg's rightwing turn and Musk openly going full on nazi), I believe there is now an opportunity to suggest this to whatever kind of community you are involved in: "With this platform, we can have a forum for us, but also escape corporate social media!". It is a great idea.

    I am a little jealous, to be honest, as this was what I've been saying for years now, what I suggested back in
    , and what we wanted to do with - but I'm not a dev and the projects I've been involved in haven't managed to do much in this direction. @julian got there first - well done!

    Check out NodeBB, it's very nicely done, and I'm sure it will only get better, since they just released their first version with ActivityPub support. Think of any group/team you're in touch with that might consider hosting a (federated) forum, and suggest it to them! IMO federated communities are far more suitable and make much more sense for the Fediverse, instead of trying to conceptualize it as a kind of Twitter replacement, and they can serve the target of decentralization much better. Let's spread this!

    @panos it was a matter of time to be done. We had reddit-like services, even a federated git service. A federated forum service wouldn't be that impossible.
    @julian
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  • Why I think that 's latest release can be a game changer for the

    For years, before social media came along, forums were the main place to discuss with others on the internet. Communities were built, thrived, a few survived, most were swallowed by Reddit and Facebook groups.

    But there are still many websites/organizations/collectives who need an online space to talk with their members! Newspapers, workers unions, anarchist collectives, football fan clubs - all of those might already be running a forum, or would be open to running one. And now we have a great fedi solution for this, which is primarily a forum, but is also a gateway to the rest of fedi! Especially with the recent crap going on on mainstream social media (Zuckerberg's rightwing turn and Musk openly going full on nazi), I believe there is now an opportunity to suggest this to whatever kind of community you are involved in: "With this platform, we can have a forum for us, but also escape corporate social media!". It is a great idea.

    I am a little jealous, to be honest, as this was what I've been saying for years now, what I suggested back in
    , and what we wanted to do with - but I'm not a dev and the projects I've been involved in haven't managed to do much in this direction. @julian got there first - well done!

    Check out NodeBB, it's very nicely done, and I'm sure it will only get better, since they just released their first version with ActivityPub support. Think of any group/team you're in touch with that might consider hosting a (federated) forum, and suggest it to them! IMO federated communities are far more suitable and make much more sense for the Fediverse, instead of trying to conceptualize it as a kind of Twitter replacement, and they can serve the target of decentralization much better. Let's spread this!

    @panos @julian I should note that there is already a Fediverse-native forum software called with a frontend that can imitate the look of old-school forums called LemmyBB. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB

  • @panos @julian I should note that there is already a Fediverse-native forum software called with a frontend that can imitate the look of old-school forums called LemmyBB. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB

    @rynach@mstdn.io Lemmy isn't a forum, though. There's much more to being a forum than just having topics. Basic moderation tools (like post splitting, merging) etc. are lacking, and more advanced features that have been longtime standards on forums are totally absent.

    The UX is that of Reddit, and Reddit is as much a forum as Twitter is a blog.

    And LemmyBB hasn't been updated in iver 2 years. Does it even work with the current back end?

  • @rynach@mstdn.io Lemmy isn't a forum, though. There's much more to being a forum than just having topics. Basic moderation tools (like post splitting, merging) etc. are lacking, and more advanced features that have been longtime standards on forums are totally absent.

    The UX is that of Reddit, and Reddit is as much a forum as Twitter is a blog.

    And LemmyBB hasn't been updated in iver 2 years. Does it even work with the current back end?

    @kichae I agree with that, and I have no knowledge of whether LemmyBB works nowadays.

  • @panos @julian I should note that there is already a Fediverse-native forum software called with a frontend that can imitate the look of old-school forums called LemmyBB. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB

    @ryanch@mstdn.io said " I should note that there is already a Fediverse-native forum software called <a href="https://mstdn.io/tags/Lemmy" rel="tag">#<span>Lemmy</span></a> with a frontend that can imitate the look of old-school forums called LemmyBB. "

    I was curious to look at this, but Lemmybb code hasnt been updated in 2years and I couldn't find any other running instance.
    What happened to the project?

  • @ryanch@mstdn.io said " I should note that there is already a Fediverse-native forum software called <a href="https://mstdn.io/tags/Lemmy" rel="tag">#<span>Lemmy</span></a> with a frontend that can imitate the look of old-school forums called LemmyBB. "

    I was curious to look at this, but Lemmybb code hasnt been updated in 2years and I couldn't find any other running instance.
    What happened to the project?

    @eeeee I believe LemmyBB was a proof-of-concept, to show that Lemmy as it existed back then was able to be represented in the front-end as a tradtional forum.

    But also, nutomic (who may have made LemmyBB? not sure.) is a busy person who has a day job and doesn't work on lemmy full-time 🙂

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    @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online while this is a known workaround, I don't think it's a tenable long-term solution. You can have "real decentralization" without the quirks, too.
  • Updates to the world page

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  • Join the one called "Fediverse"

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    @emperor@feddit.uk it is! The in-development stuff I'm working on makes it much easier to post directly to a Lemmy community. This is probably the first, yes. It was also a bit of a live test at the same time.
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    why didn’t I think of that myself? Thank you @julian@community.nodebb.org and thank you for this release
  • NodeBB - v3.3.0

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  • NodeBB - Update auf 1.13.1

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    Kurze Ergänzung, heute Morgen dieses Forum hier aktualisiert. Wie erwartet geht es jetzt einfach durch. Bis auf ein Plugin, was nicht kompatibel mit der Version 1.13.x ist. Das ist aber eine andere Baustelle. Für interessierte Leser, hänge ich den Log an. ~/nodebb$ ./nodebb upgrade Updating NodeBB... 1. Updating package.json file with defaults... OK 2. Bringing base dependencies up to date... started > sharp@0.23.4 install /home/user_nodebb/nodebb/node_modules/sharp > (node install/libvips && node install/dll-copy && prebuild-install) || (node-gyp rebuild && node install/dll-copy) info sharp Downloading https://github.com/lovell/sharp-libvips/releases/download/v8.8.1/libvips-8.8.1-linux-x64.tar.gz internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:638 throw err; ^ Error: Cannot find module './index' at Function.Module._resolveFilename (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:636:15) at Function.Module._load (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:562:25) at Module.require (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:692:17) at require (internal/modules/cjs/helpers.js:25:18) at Object.<anonymous> (/home/user_nodebb/nodebb/node_modules/.bin/rc:2:10) at Module._compile (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:778:30) at Object.Module._extensions..js (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:789:10) at Module.load (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:653:32) at tryModuleLoad (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:593:12) at Function.Module._load (internal/modules/cjs/loader.js:585:3) make: Entering directory '/home/user_nodebb/nodebb/node_modules/sharp/build' TOUCH Release/obj.target/libvips-cpp.stamp CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/common.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/metadata.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/stats.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/operations.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/pipeline.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/sharp.o CXX(target) Release/obj.target/sharp/src/utilities.o SOLINK_MODULE(target) Release/obj.target/sharp.node COPY Release/sharp.node make: Leaving directory '/home/user_nodebb/nodebb/node_modules/sharp/build' npm WARN nodebb-plugin-emoji-android@2.0.0 requires a peer of nodebb-plugin-emoji@^2.0.0 but none is installed. You must install peer dependencies yourself. npm WARN textcomplete.contenteditable@0.1.1 requires a peer of textcomplete@^0.14.2 but none is installed. You must install peer dependencies yourself. added 2 packages from 1 contributor, updated 13 packages and audited 3687 packages in 35.671s 4 packages are looking for funding run `npm fund` for details 3. Checking installed plugins for updates... OK A total of 1 package(s) can be upgraded: * nodebb-plugin-2factor (2.6.4 -> 2.6.5) Proceed with upgrade (y|n)? n Package upgrades skipped. Check for upgrades at any time by running "./nodebb upgrade -p". 4. Updating NodeBB data store schema... Parsing upgrade scripts... 2019-12-22T07:52:31.428Z [4567/11002] - warn: [upgrade/appendPluginScripts] Unable to read plugin.json for plugin `nodebb-plugin-align-center`. Skipping. 2019-12-22T07:52:31.429Z [4567/11002] - warn: [upgrade/appendPluginScripts] Unable to read plugin.json for plugin `nodebb-plugin-blog-comments`. Skipping. 2019-12-22T07:52:31.429Z [4567/11002] - warn: [upgrade/appendPluginScripts] Unable to read plugin.json for plugin `nodebb-plugin-blog-comments2`. Skipping. 2019-12-22T07:52:31.430Z [4567/11002] - warn: [upgrade/appendPluginScripts] Unable to read plugin.json for plugin `nodebb-plugin-contact-page`. Skipping. 2019-12-22T07:52:31.430Z [4567/11002] - warn: [upgrade/appendPluginScripts] Unable to read plugin.json for plugin `nodebb-plugin-emoji-fontawesome`. Skipping. OK | 0 script(s) found, 84 skipped Schema update complete! 5. 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Completed in 30.921sec. NodeBB Upgrade Complete! Auch hier sieht man schön, wie das o.g. Paket heruntergeladen wird und gebaut wird!