In a First, America Dropped 30,000-Pound Bunker-Busters—But Iran’s Concrete May Be Unbreakable, Scientists Say
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There's also the fact that the majority of Iran's nuclear facilities were built before UHPC, the concrete discussed in the article, was available!
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 00:25 zuletzt editiert vonI was suspicious of that as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on that subject to speak on it, so didn't include it. But I doubt any country can build that extensive of a nuclear factory in so few years.
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I thought we do know the depth of the bunkers though. And that American bombs can’t go that deep, even multiple of them
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 00:27 zuletzt editiert vonI can't speak to that aspect. But I firmly believe that if our military planned and carried out this strike, then we had very good evidence that their bunkers were at a depth these ordinance could reach.
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Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.
The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 00:32 zuletzt editiert vonThat concrete really isn't new and really isn't that special. There's a reason they built it under a mountain - because the mountain does what concrete can't.
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Egyptians stacked blocks of stone to build the pyramids.
Roman concrete was impressively strong.
Neither of them had steel-reinforced concrete.
Neither did Gothic cathedrals, which is why they needed flying buttresses.
Reinforced concrete as we know it today is a 19th century innovation, as I understand it.
Maybe the commenter was thinking of adobe.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 00:58 zuletzt editiert vonAnd this tech goes way beyond merely "reinforced".
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Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.
The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 01:04 zuletzt editiert vonSounds to me like someone is trying to justify actually using a tactical, atomic bunker buster.
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schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 01:09 zuletzt editiert von
Coreium.
We drop an overloading nuclear reactor on top of the complex, and let the radioactive core China-Syndrome itself straight through, rendering the entire area uninhabitable for thousands of years.
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Sounds to me like someone is trying to justify actually using a tactical, atomic bunker buster.
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Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.
The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 01:42 zuletzt editiert vonGiving the yield strength in psi is the most pointless thing ever. Every single engineer would use metric Pa so its clearly a conversion for the average american idiot but the average American idiot has no idea what yield strength is.
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schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 01:42 zuletzt editiert von
"Hey there, you sexy bomb... I can't stay away!"
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From this article it sounds very likely that the bunker buster attack failed.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 02:10 zuletzt editiert vonThe article is 3 years old
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I can't speak to that aspect. But I firmly believe that if our military planned and carried out this strike, then we had very good evidence that their bunkers were at a depth these ordinance could reach.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 02:14 zuletzt editiert von coyote_sly@lemmy.worldConsider who actually makes this decision, in this case. It's highly likely our intelligence assessment here is very accurate orr flat out denied by the dipshits actually making the call if it's not what they want to hear.
Like they did publicly. On this conflict. To the press.
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I can't speak to that aspect. But I firmly believe that if our military planned and carried out this strike, then we had very good evidence that their bunkers were at a depth these ordinance could reach.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 02:16 zuletzt editiert vonWhy would we bother with that level of analysis just to distract people from ICE raids?
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Giving the yield strength in psi is the most pointless thing ever. Every single engineer would use metric Pa so its clearly a conversion for the average american idiot but the average American idiot has no idea what yield strength is.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 02:17 zuletzt editiert vonYour comment is informative but now all I can hear in my head is Green Day’s “American Idiot”.
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Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.
The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 02:28 zuletzt editiert von happyskullsplitter@lemmy.worldJust one followup question: Who cares?
Edit:
Trump didn't give the order to specifically destroy the bunkers
Had that order been given they would have continuously bombed the site(s) until it/they was/were destroyed
Judging by the results of the strike the order seems to be very limited
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I love how unhinged random fan wikis sound without context. Here for instance: Bunker Buster, see also: Concrete Donkey and Buffalo of Lies
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 03:21 zuletzt editiert vonI hadn't clicked the link yet, but Concrete Donkey told me what it was immediately
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schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 05:29 zuletzt editiert von
Blood of xenomorphs from the Alien movies
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Calling that pyramid age I think is a little disingenuous, they didn’t have 40,000 psi concrete back in those days.
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 05:57 zuletzt editiert vonThats fair yeah
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schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 06:11 zuletzt editiert vonI never really got why tactical and strategic nukes are so wildly different. Aren't those words more or less synonyms?
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I never really got why tactical and strategic nukes are so wildly different. Aren't those words more or less synonyms?
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 06:33 zuletzt editiert vonStrategic = Hiroshima getting obliterated
Tactical = The Imperial Palace is obliterated, but rest of Tokyo is mostly intact.
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I never really got why tactical and strategic nukes are so wildly different. Aren't those words more or less synonyms?
schrieb am 26. Juni 2025, 06:38 zuletzt editiert vonVery much not.
Tactical means immediately useful. E.g. use against troops.
Strategical means mediately useful. E.g. use against infrastructure and production capacity. Also massively killing civilians. This is where most heinous war crimes live.
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