I am all in on testing these devices and improving waay before they recommend fully giving into AI

Where's the video?

Yeaaaaah, I mean fuck Tesla for a variety of reasons, but right here we're looking at a car that drove itself onto a set of train tracks, continued down the train tracks, and the people inside did...nothing? Like, they grabbed their shit and got out when it got stuck. The car certainly should not have done this, but this isn't really a Tesla problem. It'll definitely be interesting when robotaxis follow suit though.

I didn't keep track of how that lawsuit turned out.

That said, it is labeled "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on everything in the car.

Supervised as in you have to be ready to stop this kind of thing. That's what the supervision is.

Okay I don't want to directly disagree with you I just want to add a thought experiment:

If it is a fundamental truth of the universe, a human can literally not program a computer to be smarter than a human (because of some Neil deGrasse Tyson-esq interpretation of entropy), then no matter what AI's will crash cars as often as real people.

And the question of who is responsible for the AI's actions will always be the person because people can take responsibility and AI's are just machine-tools. This basically means that there is a ceiling to how autonomous self-driving cars will ever be (because someone will have to sit at the controls and be ready to take over) and I think that is a good thing.

Honestly I'm in this camp that computers can never truly be "smarter" than a person in all respects. Maybe you can max out an ai's self-driving stats but then you'll have no points left over for morality, or you can balance the two out and it might just get into less morally challenging accidents more often ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There are lots of ways to look at this

Sounds reasonable to mix up dirt roads at a campsite. Idk why the other commenter had to be so uptight. I get the mixup in the lot if it's all paved and smooth, especially if say you make a left into the lot and the rail has a pedestrian crossing first. Shouldn't happen, but there's significant overlap in appearance of the ground. The average driver is amazingly inept, inattentive, and remorseless.

I'd be amused if your lot is the one I know of where the train pulls out of the station, makes a stop for the crosswalk, then proceeds to just one other station.

But the part of rail that's not paved between? That should always be identifiable as a train track. I can't understand when people just send it down the tracks. And yet, it still happens. Even at the station mentioned above where they pulled onto the 100mph section. Unreal.

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Tesla's have a problem with the lefts.

Clearly the train didn't yield properly, time to ban trains.

I’m going to guess this person was simply incredibly fucking stupid

Well, the guy owned a Tesla, it was pretty obvious.

a human can literally not program a computer to be smarter than a human

I'd add that a computer vision system can't integrate new information as quickly as a human, especially when limited to vision-only sensing - which Tesla is strangely obsessed with when the cost of these sensors is dropping and their utility has been proven by waymo's excellent record.

All in all, I see no reason to attempt to replace humans when we have billions. This is doubly so for 'artistic' ai purposes - we have billions of people, let artists create the art.

show me an AI driven system that can clean my kitchen, or do my laundry. that'd be WORTH it.

not if your in a tesslar.

For as much as I’d like to see Tesla stock crash these days, and without judging on the whole autonomous car topic, this IS cherrypicking.

Human drivers aren’t exactly flawless either, but we won’t ban human driven cars because some acts recklessly or other had a seizure while driving.

If statistically self driving cars are safer, I’d rather have them and reduce the risk of coming across another reckless driver.

Tesla's new automatic suicide feature

I think that's called "murder"

I mean, he did specifically come up with his idiotic "Hyperloop" concept to kill California's high speed rail project

How could the left do this /s

Next up: "Train is a communistic tool to restrict vehicular freedom. Banish trains! More highways!"

The thing that strikes me about both this story and the thing you posted is that the people in the Tesla seem to be like "this is fine" as the car does some pretty terrible stuff.

In that one, Tesla failing to honor a forced left turn instead opting to go straight into oncoming lanes and waggle about causing things to honk at them, the human just sits there without trying to intervene. Meanwhile they describe it as "navigation issue/hesitation" which really understates what happened there.

The train one didn't come with video, but I can't imagine just letting my car turn itself onto tracks and going 40 feet without thinking.

My Ford even thinks about going too close to another lane and I'm intervening even if it was really going to be no big deal. I can't imagine this level of "oh well".

Tesla drivers/riders are really nuts...