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Why Denmark is dumping Microsoft Office and Windows for LibreOffice and Linux

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  • Im Danish and had no clue about this, even though Im rather interested in open source.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Jeg havde sgu heller ikke hørt om det før, indtil jeg så en lille spalte i avisen om det forleden

  • I think if I were any non-US government I'd be very seriously thinking about not using Microsoft software at this time, particularly if it connects to the cloud. And that goes for companies with government contracts, or merely companies who are potential targets of industrial espionage.

    That said, LibreOffice needs to tap the EU for funding to broaden its features and also improve the UX because it's not great tbh. It can be extremely frustrating using LibreOffice after using MS Office, in part because the UI is so different, noisy with esoteric actions, and very unrefined compared to its MS counterpart. That needs funding and to get to the point that somebody can pick up LibreOffice for the first time and not be surprised or stuck by the way it behaves.

    When it comes to the UI, I guess it depends on what you're used to. The LibreOffice UI is a lot more similar to the UI used by MS Office 2003, so I've always been pretty comfortable with it. But Microsoft's "ribbon" UI which debuted back in 2007 is now old enough to vote, so I can see how there are people out there where that's all they've ever used.

    Personally, while I've learned to deal with it in Word and Outlook, even after all of these years the ribbon still pisses me off every time I have to use Excel.

  • When it comes to the UI, I guess it depends on what you're used to. The LibreOffice UI is a lot more similar to the UI used by MS Office 2003, so I've always been pretty comfortable with it. But Microsoft's "ribbon" UI which debuted back in 2007 is now old enough to vote, so I can see how there are people out there where that's all they've ever used.

    Personally, while I've learned to deal with it in Word and Outlook, even after all of these years the ribbon still pisses me off every time I have to use Excel.

    The ribbon was contentious but most people are familiar with it and it has advantages like taskcentricity and less clutter. LibreOffice has an experimental ribbon that I think should be worked on, mainstreamed and set during installation or in the settings.

    UX in other areas should be improved. Lots of little annoyances add up for new users and can break their opinions. It's not hard to look over the UI and see things which have no business being there, or should only appear in certain contexts, or could be implemented in better ways. I think the project should get some MS Office volunteers into a lab and ask them to do things and observe their problems. I'd have power Word, Excel, Powerpoint users come in and do non-trivial things they normally do and see where they trip up or even if they can do what they need.

  • And also do away with concerns about data security. As far as I know if you're using the M$ office suite stuff like email gets routes through American based servers. And that gives the US government access.

    Data security is important.

    The problem is every lazy asshole in IT or Management uses it as an excuse for everything if they don't want to do something

  • Data security is important.

    The problem is every lazy asshole in IT or Management uses it as an excuse for everything if they don't want to do something

    Sooooooo........more serious than I thought..... shiiiiiiiiit.....

  • not really true.
    so 20(!!!) years later they as the last of the states woke up.

    bavaria is pathetic. "LANGSAM" is their word for being backwards and ultra-conservative. i mean Freie Wähler? Aiwanger? What a shit place.
    And it is just SAD that they just NOW started to civilize. worst of the west.

    Munich is governed by Social Democrats. Don't mix it up with the Bavarian state government

  • If the EU liberates itself from US tech dependence through FOSS, we don't only liberate ourselves, we liberate the world.

    If the EU invests massively in free and open source software, pretty soon all across the world countries will hop on the FOSS-train.

    If FOSS catches on, it shows to the world the power of collaboration. A power we have mostly forgotten, thinking that competition is a better idea. But competition alone is shit. To give an example. Here in the Netherlands we're very proud of ASML, a company that makes the machines needed to produce microchips. They're famous because they're unique, in that no other company is able to produce these machines. It's a competitive success, but obviously it's holding us all back. If they'd share their knowledge companies across the world could try to improve on these machines, speeding up innovation. I'm supposed to think China's corporate espionage is a crime, but to be honest I feel like not sharing such crucial information with the world is the actual crime. The power of collaboration is easily underestimated, let's give it a try.

    Don't forget that ASML is only possible due to many suppliers which are also unique in being able to supply such high quality parts. Example given Zeiss for Mirrors

  • I think if I were any non-US government I'd be very seriously thinking about not using Microsoft software at this time, particularly if it connects to the cloud. And that goes for companies with government contracts, or merely companies who are potential targets of industrial espionage.

    That said, LibreOffice needs to tap the EU for funding to broaden its features and also improve the UX because it's not great tbh. It can be extremely frustrating using LibreOffice after using MS Office, in part because the UI is so different, noisy with esoteric actions, and very unrefined compared to its MS counterpart. That needs funding and to get to the point that somebody can pick up LibreOffice for the first time and not be surprised or stuck by the way it behaves.

    Exactly recently downloaded Libre on my PC and it looks dated and busy, plus not their fault but every Office doc I open in a Libre app looks bad, the formatting and fonts are off and every change I make it says it can't save in the office format and suggests converting the document to ODT format, that alone will scare away casual users who don't understand what an open format is

  • Munich is governed by Social Democrats. Don't mix it up with the Bavarian state government

    it is a fig. bavaria does not know what democracy is. from what i remember there has yet only been 1 party ruling whole legislatures simce WW2 and that is CSU.
    dont mix up the free world and bavaria!

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    I just hear that they move to LibreOffice but not to Linux, ateast not right now.

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