It can't be that stupid, you must be prompting it wrong

Eat shit

Edit: is that a tag or something for the website? I still don't like the sentiment (or the chatbot) but if it's not something that came from Proton then I take back some of my vitriol

It can't be that stupid, you must be prompting it wrong

Eat shit

Edit: is that a tag or something for the website? I still don't like the sentiment (or the chatbot) but if it's not something that came from Proton then I take back some of my vitriol

He’s being sarcastic

This is an anti-AI blog, that tagline is a joke.

For a critical blog, the first few paragraphs sound a lot like they're shilling for Proton.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be impressed by the author's witty wording, but "the cool trick they do" is - full encryption.

Moving on.

But that’s misleading. The actual large language model is not open. The code for Proton’s bit of Lumo is not open source. The only open source bit that Proton’s made available is just some of Proton’s controls for the LLM. [GitHub]

In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure!

oof.

Over the years I've heard many people claim that proton's servers being in Switzerland is more secure than other EU countries - well there's also this now:

Proton is moving its servers out of Switzerland to another country in the EU they haven’t specified. The Lumo announcement is the first that Proton’s mentioned this.

No company is safe from enshittification - always look for, and base your choices on, the legally binding stuff, before you commit. Be wary of weasel wording. And always, always be ready to move* on when the enshittification starts despite your caution.

* regarding email, there's redirection services a.k.a. eternal email addresses - in some cases run by venerable non-profits.

For a critical blog, the first few paragraphs sound a lot like they're shilling for Proton.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be impressed by the author's witty wording, but "the cool trick they do" is - full encryption.

Moving on.

But that’s misleading. The actual large language model is not open. The code for Proton’s bit of Lumo is not open source. The only open source bit that Proton’s made available is just some of Proton’s controls for the LLM. [GitHub]

In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure!

oof.

Over the years I've heard many people claim that proton's servers being in Switzerland is more secure than other EU countries - well there's also this now:

Proton is moving its servers out of Switzerland to another country in the EU they haven’t specified. The Lumo announcement is the first that Proton’s mentioned this.

No company is safe from enshittification - always look for, and base your choices on, the legally binding stuff, before you commit. Be wary of weasel wording. And always, always be ready to move* on when the enshittification starts despite your caution.

* regarding email, there's redirection services a.k.a. eternal email addresses - in some cases run by venerable non-profits.

The worst part is that once again, proton is trying to convince its users that it's more secure than it really is. You have to wonder what else they are lying or deceiving about.

Mullvad FTW

Yes, indeed. Even so, just because there is a workaround, we should not ignore the issue (governments descending into fascism).

The worst part is that once again, proton is trying to convince its users that it's more secure than it really is. You have to wonder what else they are lying or deceiving about.

For a critical blog, the first few paragraphs sound a lot like they're shilling for Proton.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be impressed by the author's witty wording, but "the cool trick they do" is - full encryption.

Moving on.

But that’s misleading. The actual large language model is not open. The code for Proton’s bit of Lumo is not open source. The only open source bit that Proton’s made available is just some of Proton’s controls for the LLM. [GitHub]

In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure!

oof.

Over the years I've heard many people claim that proton's servers being in Switzerland is more secure than other EU countries - well there's also this now:

Proton is moving its servers out of Switzerland to another country in the EU they haven’t specified. The Lumo announcement is the first that Proton’s mentioned this.

No company is safe from enshittification - always look for, and base your choices on, the legally binding stuff, before you commit. Be wary of weasel wording. And always, always be ready to move* on when the enshittification starts despite your caution.

* regarding email, there's redirection services a.k.a. eternal email addresses - in some cases run by venerable non-profits.

Both your take, and the author, seem to not understand how LLMs work. At all.

At some point, yes, an LLM model has to process clear text tokens. There's no getting around that. Anyone who creates an LLM that can process 30 billion parameters while encrypted will become an overnight billionaire from military contracts alone. If you want absolute privacy, process locally. Lumo has limitations, but goes farther than duck.ai at respecting privacy. Your threat model and equipment mean YOU make a decision for YOUR needs. This is an option. This is not trying to be one size fits all. You don't HAVE to use it. It's not being forced down your throat like Gemini or CoPilot.

And their LLM. - it's Mistral, OpenHands and OLMO, all open source. It's in their documentation. So this article is straight up lies about that. Like.... Did Google write this article? It's simply propaganda.

Also, Proton does have some circumstances where it lets you decrypt your own email locally. Otherwise it's basically impossible to search your email for text in the email body. They already had that as an option, and if users want AI assistants, that's obviously their bridge. But it's not a default setup. It's an option you have to set up. It's not for everyone. Some users want that. It's not forced on everyone. Chill TF out.

How much longer until the AI bubbles pops? I'm tired of this.