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    Ah nice.

    Time to implement a social score. Those who rate highly have better access to social areas.

    Those who rate lower are fucked for the rest of their life.

    This sounds like such an amazing idea that has no shortcomings whatsoever!

    Edit: /s

  • ...you know? that's a fair point. I'm not sure how it would work. but it would be nice to know some stuff if its important.

    Hey Nima, I heard you like have to sex with dogs.

    Good luck proving you dont.

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    Wow just two days ago I see a post about how Lemmy is dominated by men and how that could become a problem, and today I see a comment section where all the incels come out of the woodwork.

    "waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I'm the victim"

    "omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I'm an asshole? literally 1984"

    "wadabout if this app was racist?!? checkmate"

    I'm not saying this app is good or bad (I can definitely see the problems) but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Edit: Responses have made very good points and I think I was off, thanks guys. I still think some of the early comments I encountered were rather reactionary

  • I’m always reminded of the fact that women on dating sites rate 80% of the men as below average….

    And the dating advisors who have written numerous articles about how women don’t really know or aren’t really honest with themselves about what they are looking for in a partner….

    That was ONE OKCupid survey from years ago, and it also showed that women were more likely than men to message people they didn't rate as attractive.

    In reality, women and men rate male facial attractiveness about the same. https://datepsychology.com/can-women-identify-an-average-face/

  • Stats depend on perception. Where a woman reports abuse, a man often spends an evening drinking or something similar. Not reporting abuse.

    Expectations of men are too somewhat cruel. You should be grenadier-tall (or gorilla-wide, point being, you should look fit), with facial features like those of Kianu Reeves, with voice like that of Orlando Bloom, confident like some CEO, honorable like a samurai from some movie, yet able to override that honor at her whim and do any atrocity to make the world better for her. Like some picture of 1930s' propaganda.

    If you don't deliver, then she silently pities herself and silently looks down at you for that. But God forbid you seem like that picture in some regard and then inevitably turn out to be more human, that deceit she won't forgive.

    It was a problem a century ago that women were mostly right-wing and chauvinist and traditionalist. Most of that has been undone, but not how women in average see gender relations.

    OK, so about the app - I won't be surprised if it was an intentional honeypot, honestly, to expose those who will use it. And it's a bad idea, there's no way to verify anonymous accusations, which means it's a tool for defamation of any man, and a way to discredit things of the kind written there at the same time.

    These alleged high standards women hold are largely imaginary. It's only kind of like that on dating apps, and that's because they're 80% male, so women HAVE to be picky.

  • Wow just two days ago I see a post about how Lemmy is dominated by men and how that could become a problem, and today I see a comment section where all the incels come out of the woodwork.

    "waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I'm the victim"

    "omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I'm an asshole? literally 1984"

    "wadabout if this app was racist?!? checkmate"

    I'm not saying this app is good or bad (I can definitely see the problems) but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Edit: Responses have made very good points and I think I was off, thanks guys. I still think some of the early comments I encountered were rather reactionary

    Yeah, this app sucks for a variety of reasons, but holy shit the misogyny in this thread.

  • off the top of my head, I don't know. i just feel the concept is intriguing and that the idea is a nice one.

    just the abuse potential is far too high I suppose. but it would be nice to know if someone had stalked someone else, may have spoken or behaved in a violent manner, etc.

    but I suppose at that point you might as well fingerprint and process any potential suitors lol. 😅

    the sentiment is great, however.

    I am going to say with even the downsides I think the idea is worth it.

    My friend sucks to her creeps and maybe she could have saved herself from at least two abused cases.

    Maybe like light system based around how often and how a users submits. This person submits a lot of negative responses red light.
    This person submits rarely green light?

    The problem is also how much data do we really want to keep? How little can we keep?

  • How would you implement the app in its current concept, without the possibility for abuse? It seems inherent to the very idea of it.

    Meowmeowbeans social pressure where people will refuse to meet or associate with people who have not been vetted and verified by meowmeowbeans members. So people who want to meet meowmeowbeans users would have to join to get screened otherwise they can get lost.

    Solves the issue of people who never signed up to the social media site having strangers uploading personal photos, videos, names, and stories to a profile page they never consented to. Which is reminiscent of doxing in its current state.

    So meowmeowbeans certification among consenting members would be the better route to go and socially making those not in meowmeowbeans outcasts. At least there is choice now for people to not be part of the community driven database of people.

  • Tea was storing its users’ sensitive information on Firebase, a Google-owned backend cloud storage and computing service.

    Every time. With startups, it's always an unsecured Firebase or S3 bucket.

    I'm certainly no web security expert, but shouldn't Tea's junior network/backend/security developers, let alone seniors, know how to secure said Firebase or S3 buckets with STARTTLS or SSL certificates? Shouldn't a company like this have some sort of compliance department?

  • Yeah, this app sucks for a variety of reasons, but holy shit the misogyny in this thread.

    Thanks for looking out for us. However, I, too, am a bit concerned. This is how Facebook started. The tech industry has zero ethics. I recommend women, AND men, have a trusted safety buddy when dating. When I met my spouse, I had two people who knew where I was, the person's name, photo, employer, and where we were meeting.Do some internet stalking. If I don't call you in an hour, come looking for me. If I call, I might ask for another hour, but you get the point.

  • I'm certainly no web security expert, but shouldn't Tea's junior network/backend/security developers, let alone seniors, know how to secure said Firebase or S3 buckets with STARTTLS or SSL certificates? Shouldn't a company like this have some sort of compliance department?

    I am not sure, but I read somewhere that the developer(s) used vibe coding to create the app so...

  • These alleged high standards women hold are largely imaginary. It's only kind of like that on dating apps, and that's because they're 80% male, so women HAVE to be picky.

    I agree. High standards and common ideas of "right" are generally present among people insecure and easily gaslighted.

    Such as those that would use this app. Point?

  • Honestly it seems like a weapon that can too easily be used for defamation

    How dare you!
    The misogyny!

  • Wow just two days ago I see a post about how Lemmy is dominated by men and how that could become a problem, and today I see a comment section where all the incels come out of the woodwork.

    "waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I'm the victim"

    "omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I'm an asshole? literally 1984"

    "wadabout if this app was racist?!? checkmate"

    I'm not saying this app is good or bad (I can definitely see the problems) but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Edit: Responses have made very good points and I think I was off, thanks guys. I still think some of the early comments I encountered were rather reactionary

    “waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I’m the victim”

    Everyone has the problem that they'd want to discuss others behind their back. It's not accepted because it doesn't work to any good end.

    “omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I’m an asshole? literally 1984”

    You won't find out anything from this. People sometimes lie, especially in such situations.

    but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Human adequacy is a big part of cybersecurity.

  • it seems its an app that helps women flag potential dating candidates as being dangerous or red flags.

    there is the potential for doxxing that comes with that, but I can absolutely understand its use and need when not abused in that manner.

    i wonder if there's the potential for a different app with more encryption and a way to prevent doxxing and abuse.

    i wonder if there’s the potential for a different app with more encryption and a way to prevent doxxing and abuse.

    Encryption, sure.
    Preventing doxxing? I highly doubt it. But hey, it's women doing it so it's ok and anyone who criticizes that is an incel.

  • Wow just two days ago I see a post about how Lemmy is dominated by men and how that could become a problem, and today I see a comment section where all the incels come out of the woodwork.

    "waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I'm the victim"

    "omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I'm an asshole? literally 1984"

    "wadabout if this app was racist?!? checkmate"

    I'm not saying this app is good or bad (I can definitely see the problems) but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Edit: Responses have made very good points and I think I was off, thanks guys. I still think some of the early comments I encountered were rather reactionary

    i mean...an app directly copying a black mirror episode (but almost exclusively targeting a specific demographic) does ring some very, VERY loud alarm bells...

    like, this is literally the plot of nosedive.

    it's a social credit system.

    and none of the people even know they HAVE a score, so it's somehow even worse than the fictional scenario.

    this will, absolutely, hurt innocents and it will do so by design.

    "fuck them innocents!"...just because they happen to be men?

    how is that anything other than misandrist?

    how is that defensible?

    how is doxxing, mass libel, and targeted harassment a solution to sexism and rape culture?

    I'd be really interested in hearing anything about how this is supposed to help women, because i struggle to see how sowing massive, unearned distrust between men and women is going to make anyone any safer...

    I'm really, REALLY glad that the GDPR would nuke this sort of nonsense from orbit...uploading pictures of strangers, for the explicit purpose of gossiping about them behind their backs, spreading awful rumors?

    what. the. actual. fuck. is wrong with you people?

    and i don't mean women, or men: i mean americans and their total disregard for privacy and digital safety. what the hell...

  • There's definitely a use case, but there's an inherent power imbalance to these products that makes sure they will always be misused. The submitters are anonymous, and it's up to the person being reported on to prove the accusations are false.

    Or, they're supposed to be anonymous.

    it’s up to the person being reported on to prove the accusations are false.

    The person doesn't even know they're mentioned in the app.

  • Wow just two days ago I see a post about how Lemmy is dominated by men and how that could become a problem, and today I see a comment section where all the incels come out of the woodwork.

    "waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I'm the victim"

    "omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I'm an asshole? literally 1984"

    "wadabout if this app was racist?!? checkmate"

    I'm not saying this app is good or bad (I can definitely see the problems) but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

    Edit: Responses have made very good points and I think I was off, thanks guys. I still think some of the early comments I encountered were rather reactionary

    You make a valid point, this platform absolutely shits on anyone without technical knowledge, just look at the hundred or so smug replies telling you what flavor of Linux they run if you mention a problem with Windows. So, no surprise everyone is focusing on that, and not the human aspect here.

    Having said that, there is a power imbalance to this that I really don't like, the accuser gets to hide behind a veil of anonymity, and the accused has their name published, and is forced to defend themselves.

  • it’s up to the person being reported on to prove the accusations are false.

    The person doesn't even know they're mentioned in the app.

    Which is even worse, because unless someone tells them, they're blissfully unaware.

    With most forms of Libel, at least the victim will see it in a timely manner.

  • You make a valid point, this platform absolutely shits on anyone without technical knowledge, just look at the hundred or so smug replies telling you what flavor of Linux they run if you mention a problem with Windows. So, no surprise everyone is focusing on that, and not the human aspect here.

    Having said that, there is a power imbalance to this that I really don't like, the accuser gets to hide behind a veil of anonymity, and the accused has their name published, and is forced to defend themselves.

    So, no surprise everyone is focusing on that, and not the human aspect here.

    This is a technology community and the article is specifically about a security breach that exposed massive amounts of sensitive user data.

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    I made a PayPal account like 20 years ago in a third world country. The only thing you needed then is an email and password. I have no real name on there and no PII, technically my bank card is attached but on PP itself there's no KYC. I think you could probably use some types of prepaid cards with it if you want to avoid using a bank altogether but for me this wasn't an issue, I just didn't want my ID on any records, I don't have any serious OpSec concerns otherwise. I'm sure you could either buy PayPal accounts like this if you needed to, or make one in a country that doesn't have KYC laws somehow. From there I'd add money to my balance and send money as F&F. At no point did I need an ID so in that sense there's no KYC. Some sellers on localmarket were fancy enough to list that they wanted an ID for KYC, but I'm sure you could just send them any random ID you made in paint from the republic of dave and you'd be fine.
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