It's not that there can't be real effect, it's that they aren't LAW. If people go along with it, they're getting a sort of pass that says "hey, this is illegal, but we won't prosecute you". That's different than it being an actual law. The outcome is essentially decided by the people capitulating to these stupid things. This is why Harvard, GW, Stanford...etc are taking this court, because they know they will win on the LAW.

Judges can't use EO as law. Fact. If Trump tries to influence the public at large with these stupid things, it will AND HAS get shot down in court.

Sure. My understanding of your original comment was that Trump's EO won't matter to open source AI because regulations, or lack of regulations, won't affect open source AI. My point is that regulations do affect open source AI in some significant way.

I have never once said in this conversation that EOs are law. You insist on bringing that up. What I am saying is that Trump's EOs do have an actual effect, regardless of what their historical purpose was, and that's what matters in the real world.

NASA is part of the Executive Branch and has always been influenced by whomever is in charge. It literally owes much of existence to a single president demanding them to go the moon.

Beat me to it. Most same Americans don't want this, it's the current administration and their moronic lap dogs, and the conglomerates that are paying into Cheeto's personal accounts to "influence him" that want this. Id hope that most of us realize how insanely idiotic this is.

Also to, AI anti-regulation 2: electric boogaloo? Like they literally just tried to shoehorn this into the big bullshit bill only for it to get yanked, and that was what, two weeks ago?

And, as what has been stated repeatedly, Trump's EOs only affect the executive branch.

Yup. That's never going to fly, and even if it does, that doesn't mean the Executive all of a sudden gets to start telling private companies how they can and can't operate according to the law. It's so stupid.

I know this. Are you saying that it doesn't matter that dozens of government agencies will now have reduced AI regulation? Have you read how many agencies and departments will be affected? https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf

lolwut? No. What point are you trying to make here?

When you say that Trump's EO's only affects the executive branch, it sounds like you're trying to say the EO doesn't matter. My point is that it does matter.

So if you're in a democracy and he doesn't represent the american people, what does he represent ?

You compared Trump's EO to a federal law enacted by Congress. In that sense, it doesn't matter because those two have nothing in common in the slightest. Since you already understand EOs have a limited scope, than you know that this does nothing to stop open source software.

When I mentioned the TAKE IT DOWN act, we were talking about regulations in general. I did not equivocate laws to EOs. That said, this EO will have effects on regulatory agencies. Therefore, it will have an effect on software as we discussed, open source or not.

No. No it won't. I stand by my Pirate Bay example.

What are your thoughts on this? Is this not an effect on open-source due to regulation? https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/10/13/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/

Enough with the damn fear mongering.

I pointed to an actual thing that already happened. How is that fear mongering?

I don't even think the models are going to work anymore. Everytime Musk tries to ideologically forces tweeter AI it's going fucking crazy and instable.

"America" != "The U.S."

Its like saying "The French [edit: population] want <something form a France PM press release> [edit: because <the press release>] "

Edit: fixed bad example and made the argument clearer.

As a US citizen, prove to me that most Americans don't want this.

Yeah, I see the protests, even in my Trump-loving town.

But that's it. People holding signs.

I don't see aggressive action. I don't see the necessary violence - yeah I said it.

I'm moving out of the country because everyone I've tried to rally says they're too busy, they don't have time, they care but they don't care that much, they think everything will work out, or they believe it isn't as bad as the news says.

The people I've voted for and elected just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

I'm 110% for fighting for and defending what I used to believe in, but not when literally all evidence and signs point to nobody else giving a shit.

Someone call me when you're ready to legitimately strategize about how to topple this fascist regime.