Yet again, a free open-source Chinese AI has beaten all the investor-funded favorites like OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, etc.
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cross-posted from: https://futurology.today/post/5555646
If you tend towards conspiracy theory-type thinking, you might wonder if the Chinese government is directing its AI sector to use open-source AI to undermine US AI efforts. If they aren't, is it just a coincidence that this is what is happening?
Two things seem inevitable to me if the trend of Chinese open-source AI equalling Western efforts keeps up. A) - It will eventually bankrupt the Western AI companies and their investors, as the hundreds of billions poured into them will never be realized in profits. B) The 21st century will be built on Chinese AI, as it will be what most of the world uses.
The former seems more dramatic in the short term, but the latter is what will be more significant in the long term.
Moonshot AI just released Kimi K2: China is not so behind in Agentic AI either it would seem.
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cross-posted from: https://futurology.today/post/5555646
If you tend towards conspiracy theory-type thinking, you might wonder if the Chinese government is directing its AI sector to use open-source AI to undermine US AI efforts. If they aren't, is it just a coincidence that this is what is happening?
Two things seem inevitable to me if the trend of Chinese open-source AI equalling Western efforts keeps up. A) - It will eventually bankrupt the Western AI companies and their investors, as the hundreds of billions poured into them will never be realized in profits. B) The 21st century will be built on Chinese AI, as it will be what most of the world uses.
The former seems more dramatic in the short term, but the latter is what will be more significant in the long term.
Moonshot AI just released Kimi K2: China is not so behind in Agentic AI either it would seem.
Nice. Can't wait for an abliterated non-censored version to get dropped
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cross-posted from: https://futurology.today/post/5555646
If you tend towards conspiracy theory-type thinking, you might wonder if the Chinese government is directing its AI sector to use open-source AI to undermine US AI efforts. If they aren't, is it just a coincidence that this is what is happening?
Two things seem inevitable to me if the trend of Chinese open-source AI equalling Western efforts keeps up. A) - It will eventually bankrupt the Western AI companies and their investors, as the hundreds of billions poured into them will never be realized in profits. B) The 21st century will be built on Chinese AI, as it will be what most of the world uses.
The former seems more dramatic in the short term, but the latter is what will be more significant in the long term.
Moonshot AI just released Kimi K2: China is not so behind in Agentic AI either it would seem.
China’s government is absolutely bankrolling the AI efforts there, just as the US government is openly bankrolling efforts here in the US. It would be dumb for them not to. The Cold War of AI is upon us.
I’m not sure western AI companies will go bankrupt due to China’s models winning, though. There are plenty of security focused “we can’t use foreign AI” things that would keep them afloat, especially as not everyone needs the absolute most cutting edge AI for their stuff and many US and EU companies are self hosting tuned models for their customers needed.
There’s, of course, the fact that most of it at the moment is a giant bubble that will eventually pop as the next big thing takes its place in importance for world dominance. Will AI continue to find a place in the tech stack? Definitely. New models, tweaks for niche use cases and huge benefits for specialized industries, etc. Will newer tech and processes usurp it over the long run, absolutely. That’s just the way Tech has always worked.
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China’s government is absolutely bankrolling the AI efforts there, just as the US government is openly bankrolling efforts here in the US. It would be dumb for them not to. The Cold War of AI is upon us.
I’m not sure western AI companies will go bankrupt due to China’s models winning, though. There are plenty of security focused “we can’t use foreign AI” things that would keep them afloat, especially as not everyone needs the absolute most cutting edge AI for their stuff and many US and EU companies are self hosting tuned models for their customers needed.
There’s, of course, the fact that most of it at the moment is a giant bubble that will eventually pop as the next big thing takes its place in importance for world dominance. Will AI continue to find a place in the tech stack? Definitely. New models, tweaks for niche use cases and huge benefits for specialized industries, etc. Will newer tech and processes usurp it over the long run, absolutely. That’s just the way Tech has always worked.
The Chinese government is more hands on with businesses than the US. Like, they even put members of the government onto the company's board.
That's the sort of behavior that makes me suspect that a lot of Chinese businesses are intentionally operating at a loss at the direction of the CCP to undercut international business.
American politicians do similar things, but it's more about corruption rewarding companies who support politicians. China is doing it much more pointedly and deliberately. That's why they're seeing such good results lately.
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China’s government is absolutely bankrolling the AI efforts there, just as the US government is openly bankrolling efforts here in the US. It would be dumb for them not to. The Cold War of AI is upon us.
I’m not sure western AI companies will go bankrupt due to China’s models winning, though. There are plenty of security focused “we can’t use foreign AI” things that would keep them afloat, especially as not everyone needs the absolute most cutting edge AI for their stuff and many US and EU companies are self hosting tuned models for their customers needed.
There’s, of course, the fact that most of it at the moment is a giant bubble that will eventually pop as the next big thing takes its place in importance for world dominance. Will AI continue to find a place in the tech stack? Definitely. New models, tweaks for niche use cases and huge benefits for specialized industries, etc. Will newer tech and processes usurp it over the long run, absolutely. That’s just the way Tech has always worked.
The US is not "openly bankrolling" any AI companies. The closest thing would be OpenAI's recent contract with the military:
OpenAI awarded $200 million US defense contract
The DoD contract will see OpenAI develop AI capabilities to “address critical national security challenges in both warfighting and enterprise domains.”
The Verge (www.theverge.com)
Whereas China is definitely funding AI efforts in their country because they're communist (sort of). That's literally how communism works: The government funds stuff.
China isn't really communist in the traditional sense but they definitely use government funds to prop up business they feel will give the country a strategic advantage. They do this directly (here's a check to pay people) and indirectly (we'll subsidize all shipping for your business and make sure you get sweetheart deals with other businesses you rely on).
The Chinese government is in the business of picking winners and losers in the market and they're open about it. It's not a secret. That's literally how their government is setup.
The US has ways of picking winners but they're not nearly as direct and there's a whole lot of rules that must be followed or competitors will sue and win. Then the whole process falls apart.
TL;DR: You're directly wrong and you're framing the story wrong as well.
Aside: If OpenAI goes bankrupt after wasting billions of rich investor dollars the citizens of the US will not have lost billions as a result. Whereas in China...
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The Chinese government is more hands on with businesses than the US. Like, they even put members of the government onto the company's board.
That's the sort of behavior that makes me suspect that a lot of Chinese businesses are intentionally operating at a loss at the direction of the CCP to undercut international business.
American politicians do similar things, but it's more about corruption rewarding companies who support politicians. China is doing it much more pointedly and deliberately. That's why they're seeing such good results lately.
They're also making electric cars that undercut the competition by about 20k in price. Of course they're running a loss on purpose.
