I'd argue that a critical piece of competition for all nations has always been stealing knowledge and technology.

How do you like it? It's on my short list for my next car.

What technologies Germany, Poland, Singapore or Norway stole since the fall of USSR if that’s the case? I can name many technologies that China stole, that the US stole, but definitely don’t see it as a critical piece for all nations. Most countries don’t even have hackers nor network of spies capable of stealing other countries’ valuable trade secrets

Most countries don’t even have hackers nor network of spies capable of stealing other countries’ valuable trade secrets

I have a 20+ year old 2004 rx330 its basically a sienna with a smaller shell (sienna highlander and the v6 camry all share the same subframe and engine/ powertrain components with some exceptions its the same platform) its great, i have 223,000 miles on it and it needs some work but I’m poor so i do it all myself

Overall, love it. We had a hybrid RAV 4 and wanted to move to a larger vehicle. When we discovered that Toyota was releasing a hybrid Sienna for 2021, we jumped at it. We get ~35mpg on average. And we've put just a bit over 55k miles on it since we got it. Maintenance has mostly been routine, though we did have an odd issue with one of the sliding doors filling up with water. According to the tech at the service center, there is a drain which was clogged and needed to be cleared. This was likely exacerbated by the fact that it's parked outside, in a wooded area. So, it sees a lot of leaf litter. And that is one down side, the back hatch can accumulate leaves and crap in the space between the top of the door and the body of the vehicle. Annoying, but you just have to clean it out on the regular. The adjustment rails for the rear seats are also hard to clean, if anything gets in them. So, that can be annoying.

As for performance, it moves well enough. It's a mini-van, so you're not going to beat a small car off the line, but you do get up to speed at a good clip. The turning radius is surprisingly narrow for such a large vehicle. At speed, the vehicle feels stable and handles ok. I'll also say that the adaptive cruise control is insanely addictive. I've been driving in traffic this week and I can go a long time without touching the pedals. I'd also recommend getting to the trim level where you get the backup camera with the false overview of the vehicle, makes parking super simple.

We mostly use it for routine tasks like getting groceries or taking the kids places. We also go camping regularly and we can pack all our stuff into the back and put the kayaks on top. Its not a vehicle I'd take off road on anything challenging, but it handles unpaved roads ok.

So ya, we've been happy with it and I'd give it a recommendation.

Sienna's are great! I've owned 4 of them (because I tend to total cars), and been happy with all of them. Gets decent mileage for a van, and they hold value better than just about any other mini van. Never felt safer when ramming into the back of a semi while going 70mph! The van was totaled, but me and the kids were perfectly fine.

Sucks to suck, our car companies suck and they absolutely should loose and be forced to fire people if they can't compete. Give me my cheap and decent Chinese cars please. I live in a capitalist country so lets act like it instead of being fucking pussys

That is a surprisingly strong recommendation. I'm glad everyone was safe, keep it shiny side up.

China is performing a new colonialism. Exploiting poor countries for their cheap resources.

While the rest of the world is trying to steer away from it because it is so horrible. So please, don't praise China for it.

Yes, there may not be child labor. But in places we cannot see, there are still black industry chains. A brick factory was exposed some time ago. They let some people with low IQ or disabilities work. They were not given masks, and the air was full of dust. They may work more than ten hours a day or even more. What is the difference between this and slavery? I just want to give this example to illustrate that there are still many black-hearted factories in society, and there is also the possibility of employing child labor. In China, young people who have not studied will choose to work in factories, but they must be at least 16 years old. If they are younger, they will not be hired. Back to the issue of BYD, although we are proud that it can be recognized by the world as a Chinese brand, and many people in China also buy it. But recently there have been some news that they blindly work overtime within the company, and have meetings after get off work, etc. Someone exposed the chat records within the company. We are all ordinary people. We just want to fight for our rights. Even if it is a big company, as long as it exploits people, we must oppose it.

....we removed both parties comments because you both were going

you: no your a troll

them: no your a troll

you: no your a troll

them: no your a troll

Not because we took sides.

Calling eachother trolls is not being excellent to eachother (rule 3), if you want to talk about disagreements do it like adults.

I asked sources for his claims, like an adult, he posted a link to an article debunking his own nonsense.
So this guy starts calling me a troll while he was demonstrably lying,
These are the facts.

Buying what you prefer itself isn't an issue, but that should be the reason instead of "I need it because X, Y, Z." Most truck/SUV owners don't need a truck/SUV, they just want one.

My issue with trucks and SUVs are that they make the road more dangerous, since there's only so much a car manufacturer can do to protect against a vehicle more than twice as massive. That, and they're artificially cheap here in the US because of stupid regulations intended for farmers that got applied to them to reduce emissions standards.

Some people don't need a car but will buy one anyway, not sure what point you're making there. I see no problem in people buying what they want over what they need. Choice is good and if you want to spend more on a vehicle for
any reason, that's OK.

Buses, dump trucks, ambulances, 18 wheelers, tow trucks etc. are all heavy and dangerous. The focus should be on better designed roads and better driver training, not limiting what people can drive.

Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it's a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70's.

Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it's a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70's.

Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

That and the fact that these people aren't patriots. They're looters. They don't believe in America per se. They believe in the economic system that advantages them and disadvantages others. It's just that simple. America is no longer a land of opportunity. Perpetual poverty is their goal. Keeping people down is the point.

I have to concede that i believe you might be right about that, sadly.