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Former GM Executive: BYD cars are good in terms of design, features, price, quality. If we let BYD into the U.S. market, it could end up destroying american manufacturers

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  • Sienna's are great! I've owned 4 of them (because I tend to total cars), and been happy with all of them. Gets decent mileage for a van, and they hold value better than just about any other mini van. Never felt safer when ramming into the back of a semi while going 70mph! The van was totaled, but me and the kids were perfectly fine.

    That is a surprisingly strong recommendation. I'm glad everyone was safe, keep it shiny side up.

  • Sucks to suck, our car companies suck and they absolutely should loose and be forced to fire people if they can't compete. Give me my cheap and decent Chinese cars please. I live in a capitalist country so lets act like it instead of being fucking pussys

    It the country wasn't so hostile, also pretty racist when talking about Chinese (99% of the time people say Chinese not CCP as an insult to anything about creativity, invention, culture, whatever), to Chinese consumer big ticket goods, I'd imagine BYD and other would build manufacturing plants in the US. If things weren't so hostile, the Chinese battery companies like CATL may be willing to build batteries in the US without major concern of a hostile nation stealing their battery tech

    It isn't even a truly political idealism conflict that causes the split. Americans were fine with South Korean and Taiwanese products when those countries were military dictatorships. Vietnam has the company VinFast selling cars in the US and it's political structure is a lot closer to China than the US. Americans have never shown appetite for reigning in how American companies treat labor in Latin America, Asia, and Africa. Really not even domestically like in makeshift housing that American farmers pack migrant workers into or meatpacking plants. So it's really just rich/powerful people not liking to see non-European descendants take the leading role in global trade of high margin goods and services that are often cutting edge technology

    If China was still primarily a labor country, damn near no one would care about Chinese domestic issues like famines. In my mind the inevitability will be another wave of xenophobia that will eventually target India and the Indian diaspora as their military and domestic military and technology companies develop

  • That is a surprisingly strong recommendation. I'm glad everyone was safe, keep it shiny side up.

    I'm not sure your location, but I highly advise spending the extra money on AWD. If you have hills plus rain or snow, it's the difference between peeling out from a stop and just going.

    My first Sienna was FWD. We live on the side of a hill - steep enough that a family pass time is watching cars struggle in the winter. Had to park at the bottom several times with the FWD. Never had a problem with the AWDs.

  • China is performing a new colonialism. Exploiting poor countries for their cheap resources.

    While the rest of the world is trying to steer away from it because it is so horrible. So please, don't praise China for it.

    You don't understand colonialism much. They aren't taking anything by force like the rest of the west did for centuries.

    They are doing business, there is a difference.

  • Yes, there may not be child labor. But in places we cannot see, there are still black industry chains. A brick factory was exposed some time ago. They let some people with low IQ or disabilities work. They were not given masks, and the air was full of dust. They may work more than ten hours a day or even more. What is the difference between this and slavery? I just want to give this example to illustrate that there are still many black-hearted factories in society, and there is also the possibility of employing child labor. In China, young people who have not studied will choose to work in factories, but they must be at least 16 years old. If they are younger, they will not be hired. Back to the issue of BYD, although we are proud that it can be recognized by the world as a Chinese brand, and many people in China also buy it. But recently there have been some news that they blindly work overtime within the company, and have meetings after get off work, etc. Someone exposed the chat records within the company. We are all ordinary people. We just want to fight for our rights. Even if it is a big company, as long as it exploits people, we must oppose it.

    Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it's a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70's.

    Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

  • ....we removed both parties comments because you both were going

    you: no your a troll

    them: no your a troll

    you: no your a troll

    them: no your a troll

    Not because we took sides.

    Calling eachother trolls is not being excellent to eachother (rule 3), if you want to talk about disagreements do it like adults.

    I asked sources for his claims, like an adult, he posted a link to an article debunking his own nonsense.
    So this guy starts calling me a troll while he was demonstrably lying,
    These are the facts.

  • I asked sources for his claims, like an adult, he posted a link to an article debunking his own nonsense.
    So this guy starts calling me a troll while he was demonstrably lying,
    These are the facts.

    Well it unfolded into what I described, so we removed the comments.

  • Buying what you prefer itself isn't an issue, but that should be the reason instead of "I need it because X, Y, Z." Most truck/SUV owners don't need a truck/SUV, they just want one.

    My issue with trucks and SUVs are that they make the road more dangerous, since there's only so much a car manufacturer can do to protect against a vehicle more than twice as massive. That, and they're artificially cheap here in the US because of stupid regulations intended for farmers that got applied to them to reduce emissions standards.

    Some people don't need a car but will buy one anyway, not sure what point you're making there. I see no problem in people buying what they want over what they need. Choice is good and if you want to spend more on a vehicle for
    any reason, that's OK.

    Buses, dump trucks, ambulances, 18 wheelers, tow trucks etc. are all heavy and dangerous. The focus should be on better designed roads and better driver training, not limiting what people can drive.

  • Some people don't need a car but will buy one anyway, not sure what point you're making there. I see no problem in people buying what they want over what they need. Choice is good and if you want to spend more on a vehicle for
    any reason, that's OK.

    Buses, dump trucks, ambulances, 18 wheelers, tow trucks etc. are all heavy and dangerous. The focus should be on better designed roads and better driver training, not limiting what people can drive.

    I see no problem in people buying what they want over what they need.

    Neither do I, I just don't like it when people excuse their choices by using terms like "need." People make a lot of silly choices because they claim to "need" something.

    I just want people to be more honest with themselves and others about needs vs wants. If we classify things properly, I think people will naturally be more efficient with their resources and we'd have less consumer debt and whatnot.

  • Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it's a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70's.

    Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

    I agree with this. No country has ever been like China, which has grown from the founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949 to the world's second largest economy. This is all the joint efforts of the people and the government. But we are not like our parents' generation, who were satisfied even with low salaries, and always had a smile on their faces, often saying that they were working to build a new China. We are in our twenties now, but our bodies are already in our thirties or forties. We stay up late every day and have to work overtime, and we don't like working. We refuse to work overtime for any reason, work in bad weather, and give ourselves very low salaries. This is not for the motherland but for the capitalists who seek personal gain.

  • Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it's a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70's.

    Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

    We still have a question, why do we work so hard when we have achieved what we have now? We envy people in Europe, who have easy work. Every time we take a holiday, we have to make up for it with more working days. You often say that Chinese people are hardworking, but the younger generation does not want to suffer unnecessary hardships. We realize that we come to this world to enjoy life, not to spend the best decades of our lives working.

  • That and the fact that these people aren't patriots. They're looters. They don't believe in America per se. They believe in the economic system that advantages them and disadvantages others. It's just that simple. America is no longer a land of opportunity. Perpetual poverty is their goal. Keeping people down is the point.

    I have to concede that i believe you might be right about that, sadly.

  • I have to concede that i believe you might be right about that, sadly.

    The MAGA base even admits as much. They say if we change the tax system, the wealthy will just leave. Capitalism is purely about profit and patriotism and national unity are only useful insofar as being a tool to ensure the money keeps flowing in.

  • We still have a question, why do we work so hard when we have achieved what we have now? We envy people in Europe, who have easy work. Every time we take a holiday, we have to make up for it with more working days. You often say that Chinese people are hardworking, but the younger generation does not want to suffer unnecessary hardships. We realize that we come to this world to enjoy life, not to spend the best decades of our lives working.

    I think it's about being content with what you have. Not always wanting more and bigger and better. I have a comfortable salary, nothing too much, loads of people earn way more, but i can pay my mortgage and all other costs, don't have to worry about losing my job. And still have enough money left to spend on nice things.

    I don't have to save up loads of money for medical bills or other unfortunate events. I can just easily live my life.

    That having said I'm still fed up with the daily grind, so I'm selling the house now to retire early somewhere in Spain or Italy, hopefully going off grid somewhere in the mountains enjoying peace and quiet and nature, embracing my inner hermit.