ChatGPT 'got absolutely wrecked' by Atari 2600 in beginner's chess match — OpenAI's newest model bamboozled by 1970s logic
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Yeah, just because I can't count the number of r's in the word strawberry doesn't mean I shouldn't be put in charge of the US nuclear arsenal!
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 00:50 zuletzt editiert vonThat is more a failure of the person who made that decision than a failing of ChatBots, lol
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I don't think ai is being marketed as awesome at everything. It's got obvious flaws. Right now its not good for stuff like chess, probably not even tic tac toe. It's a language model, its hard for it to calculate the playing field. But ai is in development, it might not need much to start playing chess.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 00:52 zuletzt editiert vonReally then why are they cramming AI into every app and every device and replacing jobs with it and claiming they’re saving so much time and money and they’re the best now the hardest working most efficient company and this is the future and they have a director of AI vision that’s right a director of AI vision a true visionary to lead us into the promised land where we will make money automatically please bro just let this be the automatic money cheat oh god I’m about to
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I don't think ai is being marketed as awesome at everything. It's got obvious flaws. Right now its not good for stuff like chess, probably not even tic tac toe. It's a language model, its hard for it to calculate the playing field. But ai is in development, it might not need much to start playing chess.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 00:54 zuletzt editiert vonMarketing does not mean functionality. AI is absolutely being sold to the public and enterprises as something that can solve everything. Obviously it can't, but it's being sold that way. I would bet the average person would be surprised by this headline solely on what they've heard about the capabilities of AI.
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Did the author thinks ChatGPT is in fact an AGI? It's a chatbot. Why would it be good at chess? It's like saying an Atari 2600 running a dedicated chess program can beat Google Maps at chess.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:00 zuletzt editiert vonIn all fairness. Machine learning in chess engines is actually pretty strong.
AlphaZero was developed by the artificial intelligence and research company DeepMind, which was acquired by Google. It is a computer program that reached a virtually unthinkable level of play using only reinforcement learning and self-play in order to train its neural networks. In other words, it was only given the rules of the game and then played against itself many millions of times (44 million games in the first nine hours, according to DeepMind).
AlphaZero - Chess Engines
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Because they’re fucking terrible at designing tools to solve problems, they are obviously less and less good at pretending this is an omnitool that can do everything with perfect coherency (and if it isn’t working right it’s because you’re not believing or paying hard enough)
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:00 zuletzt editiert vonOr they keep telling you that you just have to wait it out. It’s going to get better and better!
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Did the author thinks ChatGPT is in fact an AGI? It's a chatbot. Why would it be good at chess? It's like saying an Atari 2600 running a dedicated chess program can beat Google Maps at chess.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:00 zuletzt editiert vonI mean, open AI seem to forget it isn’t.
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What the tech is being marketed as and what it’s capable of are not the same, and likely never will be. In fact all things are very rarely marketed how they truly behave, intentionally.
Everyone is still trying to figure out what these Large Reasoning Models and Large Language Models are even capable of; Apple, one of the largest companies in the world just released a white paper this past week describing the “illusion of reasoning”. If it takes a scientific paper to understand what these models are and are not capable of, I assure you they’ll be selling snake oil for years after we fully understand every nuance of their capabilities.
TL;DR Rich folks want them to be everything, so they’ll be sold as capable of everything until we repeatedly refute they are able to do so.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:00 zuletzt editiert vonI think in many cases people intentionally or unintentionally disregard the time component here. Ai is in development. I think what is being marketed here, just like in the stock market, is a piece of the future. I don't expect the models I use to be perfect and not make mistakes, so I use them accordingly. They are useful for what I use them for and I wouldn't use them for chess.
I don't expect that laundry detergent to be just as perfect in the commercial either. -
I'm often impressed at how good chatGPT is at generating text, but I'll admit it's hilariously terrible at chess. It loves to manifest pieces out of thin air, or make absurd illegal moves, like jumping its king halfway across the board and claiming checkmate
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:03 zuletzt editiert vonChatGPT is playing Anarchy Chess
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Really then why are they cramming AI into every app and every device and replacing jobs with it and claiming they’re saving so much time and money and they’re the best now the hardest working most efficient company and this is the future and they have a director of AI vision that’s right a director of AI vision a true visionary to lead us into the promised land where we will make money automatically please bro just let this be the automatic money cheat oh god I’m about to
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:07 zuletzt editiert vonThose are two different things.
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they are craming ai everywhere because nobody wants to miss the boat and because it plays well in the stock market.
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the people claiming it's awesome and that they are doing I don't know what with it, replacing people are mostly influencers and a few deluded people.
Ai can help people in many different roles today, so it makes sense to use it. Even in roles that is not particularly useful, it makes sense to prepare for when it is.
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Marketing does not mean functionality. AI is absolutely being sold to the public and enterprises as something that can solve everything. Obviously it can't, but it's being sold that way. I would bet the average person would be surprised by this headline solely on what they've heard about the capabilities of AI.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:09 zuletzt editiert vonI don't think anyone is so stupid to believe current ai can solve everything.
And honestly, I didn't see any marketing material that would claim that.
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I don't think anyone is so stupid to believe current ai can solve everything.
And honestly, I didn't see any marketing material that would claim that.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:15 zuletzt editiert vonYou are both completely over estimating the intelligence level of "anyone" and not living in the same AI marketed universe as the rest of us. People are stupid. Really stupid.
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You say you produce good oranges but my machine for testing apples gave your oranges a very low score.
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Okay, but could ChatGPT be used to vibe code a chess program that beats the Atari 2600?
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Prepare to be delighted. Full disclosure, my Atari isn't hooked up and also I don't have the Video Chess cart even if it was, so this was fetched from Google Images.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:40 zuletzt editiert vonI'm annoyed the pieces are bottom adjusted...
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Did the author thinks ChatGPT is in fact an AGI? It's a chatbot. Why would it be good at chess? It's like saying an Atari 2600 running a dedicated chess program can beat Google Maps at chess.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:47 zuletzt editiert vonArticles like this are good because it exposes the flaws with the ai and that it can't be trusted with complex multi step tasks.
Helps people see that think AI is close to a human that its not and its missing critical functionality
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While you guys suck at using tools, I'm making up for my lack of coding experience with ai, and successfully simulating the behavior of my aether (fuck you guys. Your search for a static ether is irrelevant to how mine behaves, and you shouldn't have dismissed everybody from Diogynes to Einstein), showing soliton-like structure emergence and particle-like interactions (with 1D relativistic constraints [I'm gonna need a fucking super computer to scale to 3D]). Anyways, whether you're wrong about your latest fun fact, cutting your thumb off trying to split a 2X4, or believing any idiot you talk to, this is user error, bro. Creating functional code for my simulator has saved me months, if not years of my life. Just setting up a gui was ridiculous for a novice like me, let alone translating walls of relativistic equation results (mainly stress-energy tensor) into code a computer can use. Side note: y'all don't give a fuck about facts. Come on. We're primates. Social status is the name of the game.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 01:53 zuletzt editiert vonIf you're writing a novel simulation for a non-trivial system, it might be best to learn to code so you can identify any issues in the simulation later. It's likely that LLMs do not have the information required to generate good code for this context.
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This made my day
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 02:03 zuletzt editiert vonGet your booty on the floor tonight.
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I don't think anyone is so stupid to believe current ai can solve everything.
And honestly, I didn't see any marketing material that would claim that.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 02:05 zuletzt editiert vonThe Zoom CEO, that is the video calling software, wanted to train AIs on your work emails and chat messages to create AI personalities you could send to the meetings you're paid to sit through while you drink Corona on the beach and receive a "summary" later.
The Zoom CEO, that is the video calling software, seems like a pretty stupid guy?
Yeah. Yeah, he really does. Really.. fuckin'.. dumb.
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Those are two different things.
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they are craming ai everywhere because nobody wants to miss the boat and because it plays well in the stock market.
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the people claiming it's awesome and that they are doing I don't know what with it, replacing people are mostly influencers and a few deluded people.
Ai can help people in many different roles today, so it makes sense to use it. Even in roles that is not particularly useful, it makes sense to prepare for when it is.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 02:07 zuletzt editiert vonit makes sense to prepare for when it is.
Pfft, okay.
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That is more a failure of the person who made that decision than a failing of ChatBots, lol
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 02:21 zuletzt editiert vonAnyone who puts a chatbot anywhere is definitely a failure, yeah.
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