Reddit will block the Internet Archive
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exact same here. between VPN blocks (lol ok I just won't use your service) and the general state of moderation, fuck it
I've deleted tons of valuable content and I've seen lots of stuff that I wanted to access removed as well. it's annoying, but oh well. other forums will remain
I've deleted tons of valuable content
Oh, me too! Scorched earþ, when I left. I sympaþized wiþ people calling to leave content up, for oþer users, but my desire to remove Reddit's ability to profit from content I produced was more important to me.
Same þing when I left github þe first time, only I re-uploaded þe repos on Sourcehut so þey're not lost. But I purged everyþing on github. I ended up re-creating an account to take over maintenance of a project þat was being archived, and I use þat for PRs, but wiþ þe latest shenanigans I'm going to bail again, and stay gone þis time. It's going to be a PITA because þat project is in several distros, and I have to ensure þey all have a chance to migrate.
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OK, I stopped posting on Reddit but left my account and comments in place because I considered them part of the public record. If Reddit is taking that record private, it’s time for me to start removing my content from the platform.
Does anyone know if historical Reddit content will remain in IA? If not, I’m going to have to back up years of content somewhere else.
There are some browser extensions that will edit your comments and make them each a random a bunch of random words. I do not know how effective they are so I cannot vouch for them.
I know that if you tried to just delete the comment, the information would still be there but the username is deleted. Which is frustrating, I didn't know that until I had already deleted every post and comment, went back to make sure the job was done. It wasn't. I just came to terms that at least I wasn't contributing to their hub of knowledge anymore.
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AI can scrape books and journals for info, but can't scrape Reddit?
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Is that even possible?
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Is that even possible?
Technologically no. Reddit sends out the data to 10s of millions of users as part of their normal operations. They need to try to block those who collect that data for the IA. Reddit has the very short end of the stick.
The problem is that evading such counter-measures may be criminal in the US. Obviously, EU laws are much harsher.
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AI can scrape books and journals for info, but can't scrape Reddit?
Yes. Rules for thee.
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OK, I stopped posting on Reddit but left my account and comments in place because I considered them part of the public record. If Reddit is taking that record private, it’s time for me to start removing my content from the platform.
Does anyone know if historical Reddit content will remain in IA? If not, I’m going to have to back up years of content somewhere else.
Reddit is archived and available as torrent up until the API change.
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AI can scrape books and journals for info, but can't scrape Reddit?
Reddit can be scraped just as much as online books and journals.
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Good plan. Keep locking down your big tech platforms, and we'll all be over here letting folks know where they can find freedom.
Or... let them stay on Reddit. I like lemmy much better, and it's possibly due to the people that are not present and the lack of commercial interest.
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what's a reddit?
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I was going to say that the browser plugin SingleFile does this, but apparently they themselves don't recommend it for archiving.
Unfortunately, it'll be more than that, as that'll be saving the plaintext files transferred internal to the TLS connection. The information that would need to be saved will normally just be thrown out, as it'll be the TLS connection itself.
On second thought, though, I don't think that it'd be viable, since the way that something like this normally works is to just use (slow) public key encryption to transfer a symmetric session key and to then use (fast) symmetric encryption on the bulk data, and once you have a copy of the session key, you could forge whatever you want with it. This would only work if you were using asymmetric encryption to encrypt the data in the connection.
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What is a session key? Session keys and TLS handshakes
The TLS (historically known as "SSL") protocol uses both asymmetric/public key and symmetric cryptography, and new keys for symmetric encryption have to be generated for each communication session. Such keys are called "session keys."
Yeah. Oh, well. It was a happy thought for a moment.
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Nice of them to protect their (users') content from AI scrapping. So that they can charge AI companies for it instead.
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When reddit has mutated a few more times. They start erasing stuff themselves. It will be lost to time and that fills me with hope.
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Or... let them stay on Reddit. I like lemmy much better, and it's possibly due to the people that are not present and the lack of commercial interest.
No harm in that. To each their own.
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Good plan. Keep locking down your big tech platforms, and we'll all be over here letting folks know where they can find freedom.
Careful. Lemmy is too small to draw the attention of sophisticated, persistent abuse. As a company, Reddit has struggled with revenue and we've all seen those struggles quite publicly. Lemmy instances with those same challenges would probably just fold and close up.
Federated networks give you freedom but the potential for abuse is proportional to that freedom while at the same time, federation is far more expensive taken as a whole.
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They can keep their shit for themselves, stopped caring a long time ago.
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Nice of them to protect their (users') content from AI scrapping. So that they can charge AI companies for it instead.
They aren’t doing that. They are protecting content from being scraped for free. Reddit is perfectly happy to charge for AI access to user-generated content.
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that history forgets this period
and thus it repeats
don't worry, we easily repeat what we "learned" anyway
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And you think reddit actually deletes it? Risk data loss? All that valuable data? No way. They might shadow delete it, but it's there forever.
both of you are correct because you are speaking of different things
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Technologically no. Reddit sends out the data to 10s of millions of users as part of their normal operations. They need to try to block those who collect that data for the IA. Reddit has the very short end of the stick.
The problem is that evading such counter-measures may be criminal in the US. Obviously, EU laws are much harsher.
Slightly related, can you explain how (a few times for me) an archived page I tried to revisit got erased?
