Is Google about to destroy the web?
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Unpopular opinion: The missing business model for websites is killing the web. If there was a platform that would distribute a monthly fee to the websites we visit, the web would be much better.
50% could be allocated through traffic, 50% by choice. I could pay 20€ a month for example. Some would go to lemmy, some to my local newspaper, some to my favorite YouTube channels, authors or bloggers.
If enough people did this, investigative journalism would be funded, product testers wouldn't be reliant on sponsoring and hobbyists could gain serious funding without selling out.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 12:40 zuletzt editiert vonI would love a if there was a standard websites would use to receive donations. An integrated browser addon that track what you visit and gives you a review before distributing funds after each month would be great. It should accumulate money to avoid transaction fees for tiny amounts.
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Unpopular opinion: The missing business model for websites is killing the web. If there was a platform that would distribute a monthly fee to the websites we visit, the web would be much better.
50% could be allocated through traffic, 50% by choice. I could pay 20€ a month for example. Some would go to lemmy, some to my local newspaper, some to my favorite YouTube channels, authors or bloggers.
If enough people did this, investigative journalism would be funded, product testers wouldn't be reliant on sponsoring and hobbyists could gain serious funding without selling out.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 12:48 zuletzt editiert vonThis sounds exactly like what Brave is/was supposed to be/could have been.
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We're soon going to end up back in the early/mid 90s where the only way to find something is via a internet yellowpages.. only this time, not because search engines dont exist yet, but because they are completely worthless garbage.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 12:57 zuletzt editiert vonDon't forget to put your website on a webring!
https://.ws/
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Don't forget to put your website on a webring!
https://.ws/
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 13:06 zuletzt editiert vonMan I miss the old internet..
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Man I miss the old internet..
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 13:17 zuletzt editiert vonSomeone posted this the other day: https://goodinternetmagazine.com/building-a-slow-web/
I really liked the idea so I quickly made my personal site and put it on the indie webring. It's a tiny community but it's there.
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I would love a if there was a standard websites would use to receive donations. An integrated browser addon that track what you visit and gives you a review before distributing funds after each month would be great. It should accumulate money to avoid transaction fees for tiny amounts.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 13:18 zuletzt editiert vonMay I introduce you to https://webmonetization.org/ ?
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https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
I'm not a huge fan of Ed Zitron generally, he leans towards histrionic too much for my tastes, but he makes a compelling case here.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 13:20 zuletzt editiert vonhistrionic
True... yet nearly everybody else, maybe beside few like 404 media, seems to be either boot licking or access "journalism" so I get the "spicy" take.
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Listen man, if thats what you think is best, you keep using them and try to effect change, good luck, im just not going to use services like that and have the problem solved for myself. Let me know when you've made something happen and I'll even apologise.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 17:52 zuletzt editiert vonAs another commenter put it, the approaches are not mutually exclusive. I've ditched most of Googles services over the past 5 years:
- Pixel --> Pixel w/ Graphene (If Graphene ever makes their own hardware, I will drop my Pixel in an instant)
- Gmail --> ProtonMail
- Google Calendar --> Proton Calendar
- Google.com --> Duckduckgo.com
- Google PlayStore --> FDroid
- Google Docs/Sheets --> Libre Office
- Google Keep --> Obsidian w/ sync
- Google Maps --> Organic Maps
- Google Home (never had this shit to begin with) --> Self-hosted Home Assistant
And I plan to continue that trend. I've personally gotten many of my friends and family to make these switches as well.
I don't need (or want) your weird, hypothetical, backhanded apology. However, I think you inadvertently carry water for Google when you muster up this false sense of superiority and blame everyone else for the problems that greedy tech bros create. But hey, if you simply can't stop yourself, then maybe adopt a more positive approach to getting people to switch, rather than assuming that everyone is dumber than you. Good luck!
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As another commenter put it, the approaches are not mutually exclusive. I've ditched most of Googles services over the past 5 years:
- Pixel --> Pixel w/ Graphene (If Graphene ever makes their own hardware, I will drop my Pixel in an instant)
- Gmail --> ProtonMail
- Google Calendar --> Proton Calendar
- Google.com --> Duckduckgo.com
- Google PlayStore --> FDroid
- Google Docs/Sheets --> Libre Office
- Google Keep --> Obsidian w/ sync
- Google Maps --> Organic Maps
- Google Home (never had this shit to begin with) --> Self-hosted Home Assistant
And I plan to continue that trend. I've personally gotten many of my friends and family to make these switches as well.
I don't need (or want) your weird, hypothetical, backhanded apology. However, I think you inadvertently carry water for Google when you muster up this false sense of superiority and blame everyone else for the problems that greedy tech bros create. But hey, if you simply can't stop yourself, then maybe adopt a more positive approach to getting people to switch, rather than assuming that everyone is dumber than you. Good luck!
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 18:02 zuletzt editiert vonBut assuming people are dumber than me always yoelds such positive results, dont get butthurt man.
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But assuming people are dumber than me always yoelds such positive results, dont get butthurt man.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 18:35 zuletzt editiert vonI'm not butthurt. Just trying to help you.
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I'm not butthurt. Just trying to help you.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 20:40 zuletzt editiert vonIdk man, really seems like you have a hurt butt, try icing it maybe.
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Idk man, really seems like you have a hurt butt, try icing it maybe.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 21:24 zuletzt editiert vonLots of projecting on your part I think. I hope you find the validation you're looking for. I'm gonna mute this now.
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Unpopular opinion: The missing business model for websites is killing the web. If there was a platform that would distribute a monthly fee to the websites we visit, the web would be much better.
50% could be allocated through traffic, 50% by choice. I could pay 20€ a month for example. Some would go to lemmy, some to my local newspaper, some to my favorite YouTube channels, authors or bloggers.
If enough people did this, investigative journalism would be funded, product testers wouldn't be reliant on sponsoring and hobbyists could gain serious funding without selling out.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 21:43 zuletzt editiert vonSounds like you want to nationalise the internet and all its services.
If only we could pay for a worthwhile internet via taxes.
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mostly shit already. ymmv
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 21:44 zuletzt editiert vonI recommend Kagi . It is a search engine with absolutely no tracking or ads, AI slop filter, an in-house index and a cute doggo. It's a paid search engine (which means you pay with money not with data), but you can give it a try with 300 free searches with no strings attached.
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More time per click is such a useless metric for the end user.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 21:45 zuletzt editiert vonI could spend a lot of time sifting through ads, nag screens and bullshit to find the actual detail I want on a webpage.
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Where do monopolies get their money?
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 21:49 zuletzt editiert vonFrom the consumers of necessary services that they have wholly captured...?
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Beep boop butthurt.
schrieb am 15. Juni 2025, 23:30 zuletzt editiert vonGood bot
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mostly shit already. ymmv
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 00:31 zuletzt editiert vonpeak internet; https://jpbtlorgy.ytmnd.com/
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From the consumers of necessary services that they have wholly captured...?
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 00:50 zuletzt editiert vonI dont believe they are necessary or failing that are not available elsewhere, and i would call captured, handed to.
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Sounds like you want to nationalise the internet and all its services.
If only we could pay for a worthwhile internet via taxes.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 09:18 zuletzt editiert vonAll it would take would be a platform that handles the payment and supplies a tracking pixel. Websites could join and become part of it. At the moment, every single publisher has their own payment solution. If I want to read one local article from Houston today and one from Tokyo tomorrow, I won't join two payment plans. I want them to be paid automatically, like when I play a song on Spotify or watch a video on YouTube. Just a decent amount of money instead of paying mostly middlemen.
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