Volkswagen Planning Subscription-Based Horsepower Upgrades
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You dodged a bullet.
VW has gone down the drain.
Had a 2023 VW ID4. They literally go out of their way to make your experience worse in many cases.
They have an app, they can read locked state, but can't lock the car.
Their app/website makes you completely re-sign in and re-accept cookies every month or so that breaks any API usage mildly like HomeAssistant.
The key unlocks the door if you walk to it, 50% chance to re-lock the door when you walk away without interacting with it.
Can detect tire pressure, but they don't tell you what it is, only if there is "pressure loss"
Backup camera was horrific quality, especially the field of view of a telephoto camera, especially compared to my 2015 Nissan altima
The entertainmrnt console was terible, extremely laggy, and Android auto was the worst experience. It would take between 2 and 15 minutes to connect to android auto with multiple different phones, and it would choose 1 app per phone to not display. My girlfriends' was her maps app which is insane. Sometimes I would be at my destination before it would connect.
Also putting a trailer hitch on it would have been like 1500-2000€...
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Ford is even worse than VW, but VW is overpriced shit.
No doubt they are all overpriced, but I thoroughly researched my Škoda before buying it in 2020 and it was competitively priced, especially with its reliability score and relatively low maintenance cost. In my case of course anecdotal, but I've had no issues after 90,000 km with a lot of Autobahn.
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Funny, because the Beetle was very reliable and durable here in Europe, both in cold Scandinavian countries, and hot south European countries, and for driving the demanding roads in the alps. And here they were everywhere even more than a decade after production stopped. Very very durable and reliable cars. Also beating way more expensive cars in how old they got on average.
What they were not was well equipped with extras, or fast or powerful or particularly comfortable to drive, and they were also noisy.
But to say they weren't reliable?????Did USA get some sort of second rate Beetle cars compared to Europe? Here we called it the asphalt bubble. I even have a neighbor who owns a late 70's beetle today, which still drives absolutely fine! Still with minimal maintenance!
I could understand if you were from Brazil, they had their own VW factory early on, and IDK if quality is the same on those? Maybe USA got VW from Brazil?
It really depends on the year. But generally speaking, even the bad year beetles were fine since parts were available, they just didn't quite compare to Toyotas.
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Yes, but that doesn't make the car unreliable.
Also funny story is that car safety is abhorrent in USA today compared to Europe. Especially with American pickup trucks.
USA was absolutely in the front on research on for instance seat belts, but Europe made them mandatory to have and wear first, because in USA it was delayed because they were afraid it would slow down car sales! (AFAIK)
Crash tests were expensive, so I bet that started in USA first too, because American car companies had way more money than in Europe.Still how did the Cybertruck pass? We've seen the crash test of that, and it's an absolute killer car for the driver in a crash. A broken neck is almost guaranteed!
There is no way Cyber Truck would pass car safety standards in Europe!That may all be true. I think companies are now relying on airbags to do a lot of the legwork in crashes nowadays. but the talk was of reliability not safety
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I understand your point, but have you driven a VW in the past decade? They are reliable, relatively easy to repair and have comfortable interiors that aren't with "hard plastic." Perhaps you've confused VW with Ford?
I fix cars for a living every day.
reliable
Maybe, compared to a BMW or other "luxury" car marketed to rubes. But a Honda or a Toyota would totally eat VW's lunch in regards to reliability, at half the purchase price.
relatively easy to repair
The VW Beetle is famously easy to repair, basically every modern VW model sucks ass. It needs some proprietary tool to access half the vehicle on more than half the models. I do not like working on them. We also get wonderful examples of German Manufacturing Precision
️ where you have a half a millimeter clearance to remove a part. This was worse in older VW's in my experience (the Germans really took to AUTOCAD like fish to water when that became common, methinks) but it still happens.
comfortable interiors
Actually totally agree here, the interior of most modern VW's is pretty nice. Shame that doesn't extend under the hood.
VW also got caught straight up lying about their emissions testing a few years ago so that also destroyed basically all trust that I had in their brand. They'll sell you a car that runs, but there's really no knowing if the numbers that it reports are actually accurate.
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Had a 2023 VW ID4. They literally go out of their way to make your experience worse in many cases.
They have an app, they can read locked state, but can't lock the car.
Their app/website makes you completely re-sign in and re-accept cookies every month or so that breaks any API usage mildly like HomeAssistant.
The key unlocks the door if you walk to it, 50% chance to re-lock the door when you walk away without interacting with it.
Can detect tire pressure, but they don't tell you what it is, only if there is "pressure loss"
Backup camera was horrific quality, especially the field of view of a telephoto camera, especially compared to my 2015 Nissan altima
The entertainmrnt console was terible, extremely laggy, and Android auto was the worst experience. It would take between 2 and 15 minutes to connect to android auto with multiple different phones, and it would choose 1 app per phone to not display. My girlfriends' was her maps app which is insane. Sometimes I would be at my destination before it would connect.
Also putting a trailer hitch on it would have been like 1500-2000€...
For the tire pressure thing, that's because VW doesn't actually use sensors in the wheels. They calculate wheel circumference as you're driving and warn you if it changes, meaning you have a flat. On the one hand, you don't have to worry about sensors if you have winter tires, but on the other... having it show PSI would be nice.
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For the tire pressure thing, that's because VW doesn't actually use sensors in the wheels. They calculate wheel circumference as you're driving and warn you if it changes, meaning you have a flat. On the one hand, you don't have to worry about sensors if you have winter tires, but on the other... having it show PSI would be nice.
Tell me more about the sensors & winter tyres. They arent a thing where I live.
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Capped speed isn't enough. I want it to slam the brakes on the highway and go "Tired of the ads? Get the Volkswagen Battlepass and enjoy an uninterupted drive!"
Every tine you bring the car to a stop it covers half the windows in ads like youtube does when you pause it to try and read something
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Tell me more about the sensors & winter tyres. They arent a thing where I live.
If you buy a new set of wheels, the pressure sensors for the valve stems also cost extra, and I think have to be paired with the car using a scan tool, depending on the manufacturer. So if you've got separate winter and summer tires, the sensors have to get updated each time you change. (Maybe some manufacturers have figured out how to auto-pair based on proximity? but idk)
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If you buy a new set of wheels, the pressure sensors for the valve stems also cost extra, and I think have to be paired with the car using a scan tool, depending on the manufacturer. So if you've got separate winter and summer tires, the sensors have to get updated each time you change. (Maybe some manufacturers have figured out how to auto-pair based on proximity? but idk)
Of course! You change the entire (en-tyre?) wheel, not just the tyre. I kind of assumed it was a twice a year thing that you would do at a tyre shop.
I imagine its a pain but it must feel good going from slippery summer ones to something that sticks - to ice!? -
I understand your point, but have you driven a VW in the past decade? They are reliable, relatively easy to repair and have comfortable interiors that aren't with "hard plastic." Perhaps you've confused VW with Ford?
Reliably cheating emissions regulations, maybe.
Relatively easy to repair compared to a smartphone maybe.
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That schematic is basically worthless, first it's "per car", with no mention of average age or mileage.
Mercedes is no doubt among the absolute most reliable cars you can get, most Taxi drivers here use Mercedes for that reason.
But Mercedes also on average drive longer than most other cars, because people who drive a lot tend to prefer Mercedes more.
VW only ranking a couple places above Chrysler is laughable. There is no way that can be right.
Also Audi ranking below VW is ridiculous. Audi is to VW somewhat what Lexus is to Toyota.
Something is definitely off with that chart.But I do not deny that Hyundai may have improved enough to be as good or maybe even better than VW, What I questioned was how they could have that reputation already few years after they clearly sucked on quality. Being reasonably good now, is exactly as expected though. Because when they were bad over a decade ago, they were so bad there are probably very few left on the roads. It was not just something that needed to be fixed bad, it was very much also end of life for the vehicle bad.
I skimmed the article to find the methodology behind the numbers, but couldn't find it.
The study, now in its 35th year,
That indicates my previous point, they don't account for age, it's easy to stay "average" if your cars are scrapped after a few years. It also explains the poor position of Mercedes.
Here for instance Volvo has a longer life span on average than Toyota. Toyota are good cars, but they are generally not built to last as long as Audi or Mercedes.
I bet you don't see as many 30+ year old Toyota as you do Mercedes.Audi is full of shit. Don't chalk that pile of garbage up with Mercedes.
But, Toyota is easily better than any German brand. The reason why this just is garbage, is because Honda isn't on top of the list.
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Audi is full of shit. Don't chalk that pile of garbage up with Mercedes.
But, Toyota is easily better than any German brand. The reason why this just is garbage, is because Honda isn't on top of the list.
Honda should absolutely be higher too. And literally that study is worthless, there is no reliable common set standard for the results, which is probably why I can't even find the methodology used described in the article.
The below linked article based on a TÜV study, is based on legally mandatory safety checks performed by an independent third party:
Stor undersøgelse: Her er bilmærkerne med flest fejl
Vi er Europas største webshop for brugte reservedele fra autoophug i hele Europa.
(www.autoparts24.dk)
In this way more rigorous and fair study, based on security issues detected at mandatory checks, VW turns out to be #1!
So clearly Toyota is NOT easily better than VW, Audi or Mercedes, which actually all beat Toyota in an actually useful fully transparent study.It was claimed earlier that price was a factor in the study posted earlier.
In that regard, I can say that Tesla model 3 is hailed as the cheapest to maintain the first 4 years here in Denmark.
Many car reviewers noted that as a plus for Tesla. But the maintenance also suck balls, because after 4 years we have the first mandatory safety check, and 33% of Tesla model 3 fail that test, even with very serious issues like on steering and brakes. No other brand fails on steering after 4 years!!
So clearly basing it on cost is not worth shit. You may save a buck, and then die next time you need to make a double maneuver or brake hard.Toyota are absolutely good cars, but they are not easily better than VW. They are mostly on par.
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Sold my Audi when they started this, VWs are already overpriced basic shits.
Give me asian cars.
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I'm actually fine with that. People don't need to go 0-60 in an intersection.
Drive for yourself not for others.
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Of course! You change the entire (en-tyre?) wheel, not just the tyre. I kind of assumed it was a twice a year thing that you would do at a tyre shop.
I imagine its a pain but it must feel good going from slippery summer ones to something that sticks - to ice!?Many people do just have one set of rims and have a tire shop swap them out. In that case they wouldn't have to charge the sensors, but you need to pay someone with a tire machine every time then.
I have 2 full sets of wheels so that means I can change them out myself at home, which is particularly useful if there's ever a surprise early snowstorm or I've been procrastinating swapping them.Having proper snow tires with their soft rubber and special tread pattern definitely makes a huge difference in cold-weather traction.
Even if the road is dry but below freezing, a winter tire will handle a bit better because a summer tire's rubber is designed for higher temperatures and will go stiff in the cold.
The tread pattern is designed to have snow pack in and stick to it, since snow sliding on snow is actually higher friction than rubber on snow. With the right tires you'll bottom out your car in the snow before you get stuck from loss of traction.
Pure ice is a bit of a different story. The only real solution for that is tires with metal studs in them, but they're illegal to use on the public roads in the city because they tear up the asphalt. -
Not really IMO, but I would personally never buy it, since it's an artificial limitation only meant to extort buyers for more money, for something that cost them nothing, and I would never reward artificial limitations and such shenanigans.
I'd probably look for some third party hack to unlock it for free instead, or probably buy another brand of car.
more horse power means more stress - the car will break more. Not only wouldn't I buy it I'd pay less for a used car if anyone ever paid for it.
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more horse power means more stress - the car will break more. Not only wouldn't I buy it I'd pay less for a used car if anyone ever paid for it.
That's a good point, especially at at high mileage it may become an issue.
But I don't think it's normally much of an issue, it would be mostly gear and engine that has that extra stress, and AFAIK they are very durable.
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Many people do just have one set of rims and have a tire shop swap them out. In that case they wouldn't have to charge the sensors, but you need to pay someone with a tire machine every time then.
I have 2 full sets of wheels so that means I can change them out myself at home, which is particularly useful if there's ever a surprise early snowstorm or I've been procrastinating swapping them.Having proper snow tires with their soft rubber and special tread pattern definitely makes a huge difference in cold-weather traction.
Even if the road is dry but below freezing, a winter tire will handle a bit better because a summer tire's rubber is designed for higher temperatures and will go stiff in the cold.
The tread pattern is designed to have snow pack in and stick to it, since snow sliding on snow is actually higher friction than rubber on snow. With the right tires you'll bottom out your car in the snow before you get stuck from loss of traction.
Pure ice is a bit of a different story. The only real solution for that is tires with metal studs in them, but they're illegal to use on the public roads in the city because they tear up the asphalt.Its just a different world for me. I was watching some of the rally footage of studs & wondered what happens when you go too fast with chains on. Obviously disaster but youtubes all knowing algorithm wants to protect my eyes.