Tesla bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners won't get Autosteer feature they paid for
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Tesla has confirmed its latest bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners will not get the Autosteer feature they paid for.
Instead, they will get a year of ‘Supervised Full Self-Driving’.
When Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck in late 2023, the software was incomplete, especially regarding its Advanced Driver Assist System (ADAS) features like ‘Supervised (FSD) Full Self-Driving’, which was included in the price of all early Cybertrucks.
It took Tesla almost a year to start releasing its FSD on the Cybertruck.
After Tesla stopped making new Cybertruck Foundation Series, which are fully loaded with all options, buyers started to have the option of buying the $8,000 FSD package or keeping only the Autopilot package, which is included in the price.
Autopilot’s two main features are Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The first is self-explanatory, while Autosteer is Tesla’s name for active lane keeping.
The vast majority of Tesla vehicle owners don’t buy the FSD package.
As of now, 16 months after Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck, the automaker has yet to deliver Autosteer on the electric pickup truck.
Today, Tesla started reaching out to Cybertruck owners to let them know that it won’t make Autosteer available for Cybertruck owners who haven’t bought FSD:
“As we improve our Autopilot technology, our feature sets will change. Accordingly, Autosteer will not be available for Cybertruck outside of Full Self-Driving (Supervised).“
Instead, Tesla offers a year of free FSD trial to Cybertruck owners.
More details in the article.
My favorite part is how they're now saying both "full self-driving' and "supervised".
Archive link: https://archive.is/1w64R
It’s absolutely pitiful that they can’t figure out lane-keeping when a cars a fraction of the price have it.
It’s also a huge red flag that they are shipping “self driving” but can’t do lane keep assist.
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Bait and switch is a specific type type of fraud.
Yes but bait and switch has less negative connotations and implies some cleverness on the part of the fraduster. Nothing even remotely clever was done here, Tesla made a deal and then flat out broke it Trump Style.
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Tesla has confirmed its latest bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners will not get the Autosteer feature they paid for.
Instead, they will get a year of ‘Supervised Full Self-Driving’.
When Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck in late 2023, the software was incomplete, especially regarding its Advanced Driver Assist System (ADAS) features like ‘Supervised (FSD) Full Self-Driving’, which was included in the price of all early Cybertrucks.
It took Tesla almost a year to start releasing its FSD on the Cybertruck.
After Tesla stopped making new Cybertruck Foundation Series, which are fully loaded with all options, buyers started to have the option of buying the $8,000 FSD package or keeping only the Autopilot package, which is included in the price.
Autopilot’s two main features are Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The first is self-explanatory, while Autosteer is Tesla’s name for active lane keeping.
The vast majority of Tesla vehicle owners don’t buy the FSD package.
As of now, 16 months after Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck, the automaker has yet to deliver Autosteer on the electric pickup truck.
Today, Tesla started reaching out to Cybertruck owners to let them know that it won’t make Autosteer available for Cybertruck owners who haven’t bought FSD:
“As we improve our Autopilot technology, our feature sets will change. Accordingly, Autosteer will not be available for Cybertruck outside of Full Self-Driving (Supervised).“
Instead, Tesla offers a year of free FSD trial to Cybertruck owners.
More details in the article.
My favorite part is how they're now saying both "full self-driving' and "supervised".
Archive link: https://archive.is/1w64R
Lmao they put lane-keeping assist behind a marketing-wank paywall for their already expensive EVs - something manufacturers like Subaru and Hyundai has made standard across their entire line for years now
What a sad joke this company has become, another example of failed leadership valuing yes-men and sycophancy
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Yes but bait and switch has less negative connotations and implies some cleverness on the part of the fraduster. Nothing even remotely clever was done here, Tesla made a deal and then flat out broke it Trump Style.
Bait and switch is literally promosing something and fhen replacing it with something else, which is what happened here. It doesn't imply any cleverness and has eextremely negative connotations.
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Bait and switch is literally promosing something and fhen replacing it with something else, which is what happened here. It doesn't imply any cleverness and has eextremely negative connotations.
Cultural difference perhaps? I've always known it to be more specific, still roughly that but usually the replacement item is visually very similar and the victim accepts it after previously being shown a similar but non-shitty version. Like those black friday TVs you get in the US that look just like the brand name ones people expect them to be but are actually shittier electronics shoved into the same casings. The switch is meant to happen before purchase.
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It’s absolutely pitiful that they can’t figure out lane-keeping when a cars a fraction of the price have it.
It’s also a huge red flag that they are shipping “self driving” but can’t do lane keep assist.
Oh they know how to do it. They are just desperate to swindle existing owners since their vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff.
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Oh they know how to do it. They are just desperate to swindle existing owners since their vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff.
I don’t think they can, because they’re suffering so much from the rectal-cranial inversion that Musk started with his FSD.
Muskrat insists on using computer vision entirely, and building it in-house. Tesla (probably EM) as I recall also insulted MobilEye so they refuse to do business with them. Mind you, I think lane keeping is generally a computer vision problem.
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Lmao they put lane-keeping assist behind a marketing-wank paywall for their already expensive EVs - something manufacturers like Subaru and Hyundai has made standard across their entire line for years now
What a sad joke this company has become, another example of failed leadership valuing yes-men and sycophancy
I rode in a 2019 Subaru Ascent (like a big Outback) a few years ago, the lane keep assist was great even back then, not to mention the blind spot monitoring and all that. and it was all included. wtf is Tesla even doing with all that time and money??
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I rode in a 2019 Subaru Ascent (like a big Outback) a few years ago, the lane keep assist was great even back then, not to mention the blind spot monitoring and all that. and it was all included. wtf is Tesla even doing with all that time and money??
I love mine. Combined with adaptive cruise, it’s amazing for slowly rolling traffic, longer journeys, and stop-and-go traffic. I’m under no impression the car is ‘driving’ but having a machine take over the mental load is great and frees up that capacity for other driving tasks and/or awareness of the road.
Tesla calling that technology “Auto” anything without it being genuinely 100% autonomous should have landed someone a fat fine or jail time
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Isn't Supervised Full Self-Driving an oxymoron? How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
The actual answer: It should be Level 4 autonomy. It is capable of full self driving, but only in certain conditions.
Do note that Tesla autopilot is actually only SAE level 2, so it's just a straight up lie
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I don’t think they can, because they’re suffering so much from the rectal-cranial inversion that Musk started with his FSD.
Muskrat insists on using computer vision entirely, and building it in-house. Tesla (probably EM) as I recall also insulted MobilEye so they refuse to do business with them. Mind you, I think lane keeping is generally a computer vision problem.
FSD has lane-keeping in it. It’s not up for debate if they can do it or not, because they’ve been doing it for years.
Also I’m not sure what other technology you think they would use for lane-keeping other than cameras and “computer vision”? Things like Lidar don’t work for this because lidar can’t see lane markers. The only way to do it is with cameras.
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Tesla is the Fyre Festival of automotive manufacturers, except in this case Billy has managed to keep the kite in the air for an astonishingly long time.
Come on now, why the stupid hot takes like this?
Without Tesla electric vehicles would still be in the dark ages. Think whatever you want about Musk, but what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated or taken away. He revolutionised the entire industry and kickstarted the EV path we’re on.
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Isn't Supervised Full Self-Driving an oxymoron? How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
No it’s not.
It fully drives itself, but legally you need to “supervise” it. It’s called that because of the laws around driving a car.
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FSD has lane-keeping in it. It’s not up for debate if they can do it or not, because they’ve been doing it for years.
Also I’m not sure what other technology you think they would use for lane-keeping other than cameras and “computer vision”? Things like Lidar don’t work for this because lidar can’t see lane markers. The only way to do it is with cameras.
Both. You can use both LiDAR and optical teaming, the technologies complement each other so you don’t fall for a Looney-Tunes ass painted wall, while the camera covers the one-dimensional recognition that LiDAR can’t.
[Tesla] removed radars from its vehicle lineup and even deactivated already installed radars in existing vehicles. This strategy has not yet been worth it since Tesla’s systems are still stuck at level 2 driver assist systems.
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Both. You can use both LiDAR and optical teaming, the technologies complement each other so you don’t fall for a Looney-Tunes ass painted wall, while the camera covers the one-dimensional recognition that LiDAR can’t.
[Tesla] removed radars from its vehicle lineup and even deactivated already installed radars in existing vehicles. This strategy has not yet been worth it since Tesla’s systems are still stuck at level 2 driver assist systems.
Lidar does not help with seeing lane markers. At all. Radar can’t see painted lines on a road.
That looney tunes wall “test” was ridiculous and Rober was rightly raked over the coals and lost a lot of respect over it. It was basically a marketing stunt by his friends LiDAR company, and was full of dishonesty such as poorly photoshopped phones and lies such as not even using the self driving while smashing into the wall. These glaring flaws have been covered extensively.
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Come on now, why the stupid hot takes like this?
Without Tesla electric vehicles would still be in the dark ages. Think whatever you want about Musk, but what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated or taken away. He revolutionised the entire industry and kickstarted the EV path we’re on.
what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated
I think you meant to say “cannot be overstated.” “Cannot be understated” means the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.
He definitely lit a fire under the asses of the traditional automakers, no doubt. But then he consistently threw away every advantage his company had, one after another.
Had they developed a normal-ass pickup truck they could’ve beaten the Lightning F-150 to market. But no, because Musk wanted to make a car as stupid and ill-advised as the DeLorean DMC-12 it resembles, design time took so long that by the time the thing hit the streets it wasn’t what truck owners wanted or what Tesla owners wanted. There was already an EV version of the best-selling pickup truck in the world. And he had, by that point, thoroughly torched his image among the people most likely to buy his cars.
Tesla definitely accelerated the development of EV models and infrastructure, but I personally think it’s easy to overstate Elon’s impact.
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Lidar does not help with seeing lane markers. At all. Radar can’t see painted lines on a road.
That looney tunes wall “test” was ridiculous and Rober was rightly raked over the coals and lost a lot of respect over it. It was basically a marketing stunt by his friends LiDAR company, and was full of dishonesty such as poorly photoshopped phones and lies such as not even using the self driving while smashing into the wall. These glaring flaws have been covered extensively.
Honestly, while not a scientifically rigerous test, it does demonstrate through absurdity the real risks of computer vision only for driver assist features.
Real world examples including of course the Tesla that plowed into a white truck on a foggy day because it mistook the truck for absolutely nothing among too many others
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what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated
I think you meant to say “cannot be overstated.” “Cannot be understated” means the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.
He definitely lit a fire under the asses of the traditional automakers, no doubt. But then he consistently threw away every advantage his company had, one after another.
Had they developed a normal-ass pickup truck they could’ve beaten the Lightning F-150 to market. But no, because Musk wanted to make a car as stupid and ill-advised as the DeLorean DMC-12 it resembles, design time took so long that by the time the thing hit the streets it wasn’t what truck owners wanted or what Tesla owners wanted. There was already an EV version of the best-selling pickup truck in the world. And he had, by that point, thoroughly torched his image among the people most likely to buy his cars.
Tesla definitely accelerated the development of EV models and infrastructure, but I personally think it’s easy to overstate Elon’s impact.
Elon Musk clearly has enourmous skillset at managing startups from their early stages though their explosive growth stages. He's successfully done so both with Tesla and SpaceX. Unfortunately his management skills are clearly incompatible with running a large company that makes up a notable portion of a market. He should have stepped away from Tesla about a decade ago (possibly as much as 15 years ago). He should have stepped away from SpaceX about 5 years ago. He should be known for growing a promising disruptive startup into a true market player then immediately handing the reigns away and moving onto the next startup, but his ego is simply too big for that, and he doesn't seem to have the introspection to see the damage he's doing to the companies he built up
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Honestly, while not a scientifically rigerous test, it does demonstrate through absurdity the real risks of computer vision only for driver assist features.
Real world examples including of course the Tesla that plowed into a white truck on a foggy day because it mistook the truck for absolutely nothing among too many others
If only they didn’t fake it to get their desired result, then maybe it could have been useful.
I agree that LiDAR and other technologies should be used in conjunction with regular cameras. I don’t know why anyone would be against that unless they have vested interests. For various reasons though I understand that it isn’t always possible - price being a big one.
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