So at one point Macs were the developer laptop. They gave a nice desktop experience but with UNIX underneath that was very close to the Linux servers you'd deploy on to.

The direction of travel has been to bring the UI closer and closer to touch devices, often at the detriment to the developer experience (IMO). Snow Leopard / Lion was Mac OS at it's best. Once we left the cats behind it started going wrong.

Intel has become Arm - moving things further from those deployment servers. I've come to the realisation that I actually need x86 Linux adjacency more than anything else and nothing does that better than x86 Linux.

Intriguing, care to say more?

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Same with my 2017 Thinkpad.

If they release one with a TrackPoint and mouse buttons, I'll upgrade early.

Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.

It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.

For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.

The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.

At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.

Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.

Also, it was really expensive.

So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.

Same; I simply can't use a laptop without mouse buttons.

I had to double-take because I thought this was their 12th model. But no, they just suck at product versioning, like every other tech company.

The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.

Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..

Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..

The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.

This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.

This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.

my hands are not agile enough to accurately use a 5 or 6 inch touchscreen

when i use a phone one handed, i am struggling through about a 35% mis-input rate and then the general unresponsiveness of Android on top of that

Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.

It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.

For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.

The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.

At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.

Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.

Also, it was really expensive.

So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.

Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..

Do you mean Framework 13? The 12 has just started shipping