It'll probably be based on some silly WW2-era grudge, which I find stupid.

Or Dieselgate, which while awful, despite what the headlines would have you believe, the VW group was far from the only manufacturer with illegally high diesel emissions, in fact, they were far from being the worst.

There are of course other things, VW has started trying to get into the DLC for cars bullshit that others have, but IMO that pales in comparison to Elon's bullshit or China literally using slave labour.

E: oops, there's some transparency issues on that Wikipedia graph. Dark mode users may struggle. Here's the link: Diesel Emissions Scandal

What if you could use a baseball bat? Maybe with nails in it.

CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs

Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren't subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.

Prices are not absurdly lower than western cars. Maybe $5k less for equivalent to Tesla, and

which basically forces people to buy them

a key program in China is not from CCP. City governments give licence plates to EVs letting them drive every day. There is a trade in incentive, and sales tax break, still, afaik, but all of that is less than what US had, and EVs without subsidies are cheaper than ICE vehicles, as they are starting to be in the west as well.

You are being downvoted because you don't know what you're talking about, and "everyone's a tankie" for not being as uninformed or propagandized as you.

in 2024 in the west they were falling still. Europe stats are strong for all EVs. Should not be Tesla vs BYD. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/29/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-world-except-china-in-ev-adoption/ 29% growth in first half of the year, and even higher in July. BEVs+Hybrids is almost 60% of sales. PHEV+BEV 24%, which is much higher than US, though behind China. Total car sales up, while ICE sales down.

European brands doing well. I don't know the prices of every model, but they have to be providing value to be doing so well.

I'm completely out of shape and don't exercise at all, but commuted to work on a bike when my workplace was ~5 miles away. Wasn't hard at all and only took a little longer than a car. Had a rack on the back and bags to pick up groceries too. If you need carry a lot of heavy tools every day, it obviously wouldn't be ideal. Even then a bicycle trailer could be used up to something like 100lbs.

The ebike option meme is so laughable. I recently did some research on cargo bikes and the entry models cost as much as a used ICE car with no air con, no rain cover, no heating, no safety. Ebike people are straight up delusional in thinking this is ready to replace cars.

Getting a second hand ice car is objectively the best thing you can do right now for everyone involved unless you ride half a million km a year.

I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

My commute is about 20 miles a day. Charging level 1 at work is enough unless I go out on the weekend. My Nissan Leaf has been good enough for me. And it is neither Tesla nor Chinese.

I don't think it is laughable.

A new cargo is 5000€ and you can find used or discounted ones for less than 3000€.

A used car will cost far more in repairs, insurance and gas, my 2010 car is valued around 3000€ and it costs us around 1000-1500€/year.

I don't think bikes can replace cars for everyone, but many people could use a bike instead or their car 95% of the time, when we see that so much people use a car for less than 5 km.

Only concern is safety to use a bike in the middle of fast cars, but a proper infrastructure (separated bike lanes) solves it for a fraction of the cost of roads and parking places.

Hydro Quebec invented BYD's battery technology, the only reason they licensed it to BYD in the first place is nobody else was going to do anything with it.

Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?

Well it turns out that ketamine isn't the elixir of life.

Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I'd rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won't do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.

I have a Chevy Bolt EUV. Maybe it's still cunty. But I'm pretty sure it better than China spyware or a Nazi.

I pick the cheapest.

Do you carry a cell phone?

How many nails, and are they rusty and mostly blunt?

You take that back. You take that back right now!!

Right right, of course that's true, and it's also true that many people have requirements that can only be met by a few vehicles on the market.

Damn good car too. My bro rocked one for years, deceptively large inside. Quarterly he'd drive about 1000km in it which I think was mad but made it work, 80km at a time!!!