Tesla vs BYD is overhyped in Europe. Car sales rose 8%. Many European brands did better than this average. Hybrid and EV growth at about 35% in Europe should be story. Fine Tesla is sucking. We get it.

Yes... that is not only possible, but likely when n=5....

Please, the original claim was "Chinese people feel coerced", which is wrong by every metric, and there is no evidence to support this claim.

Although China is certainly not immune from severe social and economic challenges, there is little evidence to support the idea that the CCP is losing legitima- cy in the eyes of its people. In fact, our survey shows that, across a wide variety of metrics, by 2016 the Chi- nese government was more popular than at any point during the previous two decades. On average, Chinese citizens reported that the government's provision of healthcare, welfare, and other essential public services was far better and more equitable than when the survey began in 2003. Also, in terms of corruption, the drop in satisfaction between 2009 and 2011 was complete- ly erased, and the public appeared generally support- ive of Xi Jinping's widely-publicized anti-corruption campaign. Even on the issue of the environment, where many citizens expressed dissatisfaction, the majority of respondents expected conditions to improve over the next several years. For each of these issues, China's poorer, non-coastal residents expressed equal (if not even greater) confidence in the actions of government than more privileged residents. As such, there was no real sign of burgeoning discontent among China's main demographic groups, casting doubt on the idea that the country was facing a crisis of political legitimacy.

https://rajawali.hks.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf

Let me guess: Harvard is tankie?

I don't know about you but I drive over 5-10km regularly. For a short miserable stretch my daily commute was 90 miles. Buying household groceries or anything of size sounds annoying or impossible on bike. And then there's work tools and whatnot that many professionals keep in vehicle.

Yes, they're cheap because the competition is higher end vehicles. BYD's own high end models are expensive too. They don't sell the Han here because you could get EQE or i5 for that amount.

Did you actually read what you quote? It aligns with what I said - Chinese feel mostly satisfied with their government and don’t want the democracy, and don’t feel that their government is democratic. Claiming that Chinese believe that their country is democratic is not what Harvard did in the document that you’ve provided.

Regarding “not only possible but likely”: please do the math. If the share of population believing in X is 90%, the chance that none of the five selected people do X is (1 - 0.9)^5 = 0.001% (i.e., 1 in 100,000), assuming independence across people. That’s what you call likely?

PS. Why is this always the .ml instance

It’s important to teach everyone that being a racist Nazi is a bad business strategy.

Yes, they're cheap because the competition is higher end vehicles.

No they're not. They're cheap because they're subsidized.

Though, you don’t want to buy German either if you want to support “good”. VW, Audi, BMW, all German car mafia.

That works in the city but i live in a remote area, and have an hour and a half round trip to work every day because its not economically viable for me to move closer.

Since I doubt Canada/BC will spend the money putting in viable public transit/high speed rail, I just want them to do the bare minimum to allow me to afford to stop burning gas to afford my next meal.

While striving for turning every small town into a walkable city sounds great and amazing on paper, the reality is it won't happen, so we should push for baby steps in the right direction instead only focusing on the absolute ideal.

I'm all for fuck the US but don't you think Canada can make it's own cars? Being dependent on China's economy is no better than being dependent on the US or Europe.

On a side note, Audi and VW are both under the same owner.

Why are German cars a bad choice? I'd rather buy German than get another Citroen tbh.

There is no way I would tickle him!

While Canada making its own affordable, long range EV's would be ideal in the long run, we literally have no canadian-owned production facilities or brands that currently can, or do produce low or mid end cars, and Canada seems to have no interest in subsidising those.

Which means, in the short run, I want a vehicle I can afford to buy that doesn't give me range anxiety, and the only reason I can't is because Canada literally doubled the price of the cars that currently exist that fit my requirements because the US asked them to.

Us as well. I am disabled. One hour drive one way to the hospital. Grocery store is half an hour. A train would be awesome but they keep ripping up tracks here so that's not likely.

If a country is not a divisive hellscape of anger, it must be because they are too afraid to answer surveys honestly? If fear motivated answers then "democracy is impotant" might score low if "there wasn't a genuine feeling that people are heard in China".

Look at the massive gap in west between democracy is important and the 40% of people too distracted to understand that their governments don't serve them. Think hard of what a nightmarish dystopia that is for a second, and then realize that part of that divisiveness is politicians telling you (and you repeating their propaganda as absolute) we need a path to war against China that will make it all better.

Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?

It'll probably be based on some silly WW2-era grudge, which I find stupid.

Or Dieselgate, which while awful, despite what the headlines would have you believe, the VW group was far from the only manufacturer with illegally high diesel emissions, in fact, they were far from being the worst.

There are of course other things, VW has started trying to get into the DLC for cars bullshit that others have, but IMO that pales in comparison to Elon's bullshit or China literally using slave labour.

E: oops, there's some transparency issues on that Wikipedia graph. Dark mode users may struggle. Here's the link: Diesel Emissions Scandal

What if you could use a baseball bat? Maybe with nails in it.

CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs

Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren't subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.

Prices are not absurdly lower than western cars. Maybe $5k less for equivalent to Tesla, and

which basically forces people to buy them

a key program in China is not from CCP. City governments give licence plates to EVs letting them drive every day. There is a trade in incentive, and sales tax break, still, afaik, but all of that is less than what US had, and EVs without subsidies are cheaper than ICE vehicles, as they are starting to be in the west as well.

You are being downvoted because you don't know what you're talking about, and "everyone's a tankie" for not being as uninformed or propagandized as you.

in 2024 in the west they were falling still. Europe stats are strong for all EVs. Should not be Tesla vs BYD. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/29/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-world-except-china-in-ev-adoption/ 29% growth in first half of the year, and even higher in July. BEVs+Hybrids is almost 60% of sales. PHEV+BEV 24%, which is much higher than US, though behind China. Total car sales up, while ICE sales down.

European brands doing well. I don't know the prices of every model, but they have to be providing value to be doing so well.