Why so much hate toward AI?
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schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 06:37 zuletzt editiert von
I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 06:40 zuletzt editiert vonBecause the goal of "AI" is to make the grand majority of us all obsolete. The billion-dollar question AI is trying to solve is "why should we continue to pay wages?".
That is bad for everyone who isn't part of the owner class. Even if you personally benefit from using it to make yourself more productive/creative/... the data you input can and WILL eventually be used against you.If you only self-host and know what you're doing, this might be somewhat different, but it still won't stop the big guys from trying to swallow all the others whole.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 06:41 zuletzt editiert vonThere is no AI.
What's sold as an expert is actually a delusional graduate.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 06:41 zuletzt editiert vonIs the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution?
Both.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 06:52 zuletzt editiert vonI can only speak as an artist.
Because it's entire functionality is based on theft. Companies are stealing the works of ppl and profiting off of it with no payment to the artists who's works its platform is based on.
You often hear the argument that all artists borrow from others but if I created an anime that is blantantly copying the style of studio Ghibili I'd rightly be sued. On top of that AI is copying so obviously it recreates the watermarks from the original artists.
Fuck AI
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:00 zuletzt editiert vonAI companies need constantly new training data and straining open infrastructure with high volume requests. While they take everything out of others work they don't give anything back. It's literally asocial behaviour.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:05 zuletzt editiert vonIt's easy to deny it's built on stolen content and difficult to prove. And AI companies know this, and have gotten caught stealing shitty drawings from children and buying user data that should've been private
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AI companies need constantly new training data and straining open infrastructure with high volume requests. While they take everything out of others work they don't give anything back. It's literally asocial behaviour.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:10 zuletzt editiert vonWhat do you mean, they give open weights models back that anyone can use. Only the proprietary corporate AI is exploitative.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:10 zuletzt editiert von engywuck@lemm.ee 6. Okt. 2025, 09:15Karma farming, as everything on any social network, be it centralized or decentralized. I'm not exactly enthusiastic about AI, but I can tell it has its use case (with caution). AI itself is not the problem. Most likely, Corps behind it are (their practices are not always transparent).
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:25 zuletzt editiert vonOn top of everything else people mentioned, it's so profoundly stupid to me that AI is being pushed to take my summary of a message and turn it into an email, only for AI to then take those emails and spit out a summary again.
At that point just let me ditch the formality and send over the summary in the first place.
But more generally, I don't have an issue with "AI" just generative AI. And I have a huge issue with it being touted as this Oracle of knowledge when it isn't. It's dangerous to view it that way. Right now we're "okay" at differentiating real information from hallucinations, but so many people aren't and it will just get worse as people get complacent and AI gets better at hiding.
Part of this is the natural evolution of techology and I'm sure the situation will improve, but it's being pushed so hard in the meantime and making the problem worse.
The first Chat GPT models were kept private for being too dangerous, and they weren't even as "good" as the modern ones. I wish we could go back to those days.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:29 zuletzt editiert vonWasn't there the same question here yesterday?
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It's easy to deny it's built on stolen content and difficult to prove. And AI companies know this, and have gotten caught stealing shitty drawings from children and buying user data that should've been private
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:42 zuletzt editiert vonIt’s honestly ridiculous too. Imagine saying that your whole business model is shooting people, and if you’re not allowed to shoot people then it’ll crash. So when accused of killing people, you go “nu uh” and hide the weapons you did it with, and the legal system is okay with that.
It’s all so stupid.
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Wasn't there the same question here yesterday?
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:44 zuletzt editiert vonYes. https://infosec.pub/post/29620772
Seems someone deleted it, and now we have to discuss the same thing again.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:48 zuletzt editiert vonEspecially in coding?
Actually, that's where they are the least suited. Companies will spend more money on cleaning up bad code bases (not least from a security point of view) than is gained from "vibe coding".
Audio, art - anything that doesn't need "bit perfect" output is another thing though.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 07:51 zuletzt editiert vonAs several have already explained their questions, I will clarify some points.
Not all countries consider AI training using copyrighted material as theft. For example, Japan has allowed AI to be trained with copyrighted material since 2019, and it's strange because that country is known for its strict laws in that regard.
Also, saying that AI can't or won't harm society sells. Although I don't deny the consequences of this technology. But it will only be effective if AI doesn't get better, because then it could be counterproductive.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 08:00 zuletzt editiert vonMy main gripes are more philosophical in nature, but should we automate away certain parts of the human experience? Should we automate art? Should we automate human connections?
On top of these, there's also the concern of spam. AI is quick enough to flood the internet with low-effort garbage.
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I''m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don't defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 08:02 zuletzt editiert vonMy skepticism is because it’s kind of trash for general use. I see great promise in specialized A.I. Stuff like Deepfold or astronomy situations where the telescope data is coming in hot and it would take years for humans to go through it all.
But I don’t think it should be in everything. Google shouldn’t be sticking LLM summaries at the top. It hallucinates so I need to check the veracity anyway. In medicine, it can help double-check but it can’t be the doctor. It’s just not there yet and might never get there. Progress has kind of stalled.
So, I don’t “hate” any technology. I hate when people misapply it. To me, it’s (at best) beta software and should not be in production anywhere important. If you want to use it for summarizing Scooby Doo episodes, fine. But it shouldn’t be part of anything we rely on yet.
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What do you mean, they give open weights models back that anyone can use. Only the proprietary corporate AI is exploitative.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 08:03 zuletzt editiert vonCool everyone can use the website they scraped the data from already.
Also anyone can use open weights models? Even those without beefy systems? Please...
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Yes. https://infosec.pub/post/29620772
Seems someone deleted it, and now we have to discuss the same thing again.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 08:05 zuletzt editiert vonAccording to modlog it was against Rule#2
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Especially in coding?
Actually, that's where they are the least suited. Companies will spend more money on cleaning up bad code bases (not least from a security point of view) than is gained from "vibe coding".
Audio, art - anything that doesn't need "bit perfect" output is another thing though.
schrieb am 10. Juni 2025, 08:07 zuletzt editiert vonThere's also the issue of people now flooding the internet with AI generated tutorials and documentation, making things even harder. I managed to botch the Linux on my Raspberry Pi so hard I couldn't fix it easily, all thanks to a crappy AI generated tutorial on adding to path that I didn't immediately spot.
With art, it can't really be controlled enough to be useful for anything much beyond spam machine, but spammers only care about social media clout and/or ad revenue.
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