AOSP isn't dead, but Google just landed a huge blow to custom ROM developers
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Oneplus gang, how we feelin?
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 16:39 zuletzt editiert von jasondj@lemmy.zip 6. Dez. 2025, 18:43Idk man.
I love my OP12. But we're switching carriers to a Verizon MVNO which "won't work" with my OP12, so I bought a Pixel 8 Pro on sale last week and need to switch over.
I'm starting to wonder if that "it won't work" is bullshit tho...I've got a Verizon SIM in slot 2 and it works fine. Maybe I'd be missing out on 5G speeds? I got 5 bars on my tmo sim and my vz sim...but my Tmo got 1.1Gbps down, and my Vz sim only got 70Mbps.
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Google is doing a good job of discouraging some of us from buying Pixel phones. But they don't care because the number of people installing Graphene etc. is relatively very low.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 16:45 zuletzt editiert vonYeah but what now ? I mean the Linux mobile ecosystem isn't exactly mature nor widespread
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 17:15 zuletzt editiert vonWhat about the OS part of AOSP?
Don't the ROM makers already fork AOSP to begin with? -
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 17:49 zuletzt editiert vonThis is not good, this is why I don't like permissive licenses.
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TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 17:53 zuletzt editiert vonNow more than ever we need more work on PostmarketOS, Mobian, Gnome Mobile etc...
Bummer that it's still so hard to find a somewhat modern, affordable phone that is Linux compatible
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You must be ignoring the Motorola bloat that makes it's performance beyond subpar somehow
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 17:54 zuletzt editiert vonI have never had a Motorola smartphone... But Canta is a thing
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Now more than ever we need more work on PostmarketOS, Mobian, Gnome Mobile etc...
Bummer that it's still so hard to find a somewhat modern, affordable phone that is Linux compatible
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 18:08 zuletzt editiert vonYeah, I'd totally buy a phone running one of those provided it does all the phone things properly: SMS/MMS, reliable calls, all day battery, etc. I don't need fancy apps, I just need a working phone.
If I can get that, I could probably donate some time porting apps.
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Oneplus gang, how we feelin?
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 18:43 zuletzt editiert vonas a panicked graphene enjoyer, does oneplus measure up as a decent alternative or no?
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Does this mean Graphene is dead? Probably the real reason they would do this is to kill Graphene.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 18:46 zuletzt editiert vonIt certainly feels like it is judging by the general moodshifts occuring.
But I'm a moron, what alternative exists for a secure phone of comparable functionality? It feels like ditching phones is the only option to some extent(for me). If stupid, isn't the phone the most vulnerable weakpoint open to attack? -
as a panicked graphene enjoyer, does oneplus measure up as a decent alternative or no?
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 18:51 zuletzt editiert von vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pub 6. Dez. 2025, 20:52I use a Oneplus 7 pro and my rom maintainer still updates and I still get a new version once every two months or so. If you want to omit gapps, you are more than free to do so. (Crdroid)
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Now more than ever we need more work on PostmarketOS, Mobian, Gnome Mobile etc...
Bummer that it's still so hard to find a somewhat modern, affordable phone that is Linux compatible
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:05 zuletzt editiert vonI know someone at a company that built and sold a Linux phone 19 years ago.
You're not upset you can't find a Linux phone: you're upset you can't find one anymore.
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I use a Oneplus 7 pro and my rom maintainer still updates and I still get a new version once every two months or so. If you want to omit gapps, you are more than free to do so. (Crdroid)
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:25 zuletzt editiert vonYou are selling me mr. Fudge. I still need to do a lotta research but you are def sellin me here
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You are selling me mr. Fudge. I still need to do a lotta research but you are def sellin me here
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:33 zuletzt editiert von vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pub 6. Dez. 2025, 21:35The trap: He could stop builds for the OP7... tomorrow with zero warning.
That leads to my main takeaway for custom roms. Pick the phone with the most topics and replies on XDA. The more popular and liked, the more supported you'll be.
and never get attached to anything. Your phone miraculously has support, none are guaranteed it.
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Idk man.
I love my OP12. But we're switching carriers to a Verizon MVNO which "won't work" with my OP12, so I bought a Pixel 8 Pro on sale last week and need to switch over.
I'm starting to wonder if that "it won't work" is bullshit tho...I've got a Verizon SIM in slot 2 and it works fine. Maybe I'd be missing out on 5G speeds? I got 5 bars on my tmo sim and my vz sim...but my Tmo got 1.1Gbps down, and my Vz sim only got 70Mbps.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:37 zuletzt editiert vonVerizon MVNO
Christ, why?
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Yup, the entire culture of Google has nearly changed. It used to be coder- and innovation-driven, and open-source was a natural thing to support. Make more money by growing the pie, creating markets with new tech.
Now it seems it's middle managers and MBAs calling the shots, and their strategy is generic business zero-sum mindset - lock down, restrict, extract. They still see the PR value in open-source, but that's it.
Just becoming 1990s Microsoft or 1980s IBM.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:40 zuletzt editiert vonJust another example of enshittification from a publicly traded company. Nothing really new here.
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The trap: He could stop builds for the OP7... tomorrow with zero warning.
That leads to my main takeaway for custom roms. Pick the phone with the most topics and replies on XDA. The more popular and liked, the more supported you'll be.
and never get attached to anything. Your phone miraculously has support, none are guaranteed it.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 19:45 zuletzt editiert vonYou have now anti-sold me and hyper-enlightened me with some very worthwhile wisdom. I can not say thank you enough--I truly need more like you in my life
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TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 20:06 zuletzt editiert vonLike, I understand the more the merrier, and so I don't hate on the whole Pixel, ROM development thingy, but I just don't understand the appeal of Pixel phones. If you want to be a photographer, get a camera. Other than that, you really don't need that great of a camera on your phone. Given the condition of America and the police state and corporate surveillance, I don't know why anybody with a damn look of sense would put their information on these major platforms, let alone even on the outskirts. Some people make money on social media, but a lot don't. I stick to my guns and I'm on the internet and computers to learn to educate myself, not to dick around with stupid shit. We need something other than Android. And we have to be weary of open source, especially when it's sponsored by Google. Google is a terrorist organization.
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Oneplus gang, how we feelin?
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 21:25 zuletzt editiert vonHave a couple OP 9pros and they'll be the last OP devices I buy.
There are severe bugs that OP never fixes and make using the phone for something like navigation unreliable. Battery life can be great one day and terrible the next when not even using the phone. Also OP sells carrier specific hardware. My TMO phones can't be used at AT&T or Verizon, severely limiting our options. My understanding is unlocked Pixel phones can be used on any carrier.
I really wanted to load Graphene, but even without it I'll consider a Pixel device.
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devil's avocado: this move has saved many people's cherished photos from disappearing by having them auto save. before Google photos I'd run into cases (I used to do home IT support) where people had years of family photos disappear because they didn't back them up properly. Having to communicate what happened was never fun.
is Google photos perfect? No, but it's a great solution for people who don't want to manage their data.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 22:09 zuletzt editiert vonYes, but that shouldn't explicitly opt in, and they shouldn't marry that product to Gmail and Google Drive if they are going to push it to enable by default.
Again, it's really insidious. They push it so aggressively I had to disable it on my personal device twice, and I can't just not use Google Photos app because it's tied to the camera itself on pixel phones.
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Yeah, I'd totally buy a phone running one of those provided it does all the phone things properly: SMS/MMS, reliable calls, all day battery, etc. I don't need fancy apps, I just need a working phone.
If I can get that, I could probably donate some time porting apps.
schrieb am 12. Juni 2025, 22:59 zuletzt editiert von timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksI really want to give furios phone a shot. It's apparently close to supporting my carrier.
That and a sailfish phone. The community one though didn't support my carrier (think it's mainly EU specced only.)
What I find missing most of the time though is any esim support. Makes me wonder if the hardware one that you can program an esim on works.
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