Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US
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If I have to fucking switch mail hosts again... what the hell is the point in using proton for privacy and now I'm sure that's going to get ruined.
Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
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when legislation removes a whole well know phrase in one fell swoop. Bye bye "swiss bank account"
There’ll be a clause that banks are exempt
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I visited Switzerland just after the vaccines dropped. The Swiss COVID response far surpassed the response in the United States. They rolled out a nation-wide app for vaccination attestation, and any museum, restaurant, etc. could scan a QR code on someone's phone with a phone. But do they have a scary, socially reactionary subset of their population? Yes.
In some harmful ways they are fanatically culturally conservative. But they also care about community, sustainability, health, the well-being of children, environmental preservation, organization, and self-reliance. Being a small, rich, homogeneous, topographically-isolated country drives these characteristics.
Surveillance State developments are depressing but not surprising.
Thanks for the informative comment, a response that outshines the US is literally anything to be fair.
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
One would hope so, or their fundamental ethics as a company are nonexistent.
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If I have to fucking switch mail hosts again... what the hell is the point in using proton for privacy and now I'm sure that's going to get ruined.
I self host mine. Honestly I just self host as much as I can to avoid stuff like this because while many European companies are great you just never know. I was with Tuta but decided to self host, same for when I was using Filen for backups. Hell I'm even self hosting my git repos and search engine now.
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Note that this is written by Tuta, Protonmails main concurrent
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But on the minus side, it's a cross
on the minus side we have austria
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or are american
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Isnt Switzerland the country that struggled with their covid response because of the direct democracy requirements lacking provisions for such changes...amazing they can figure everything out to hurt the public.
what covid response? our government simply played on "eigenverantwortung" (personal responsibility). in a country with one of the highest education levels it wasn't difficult to keep a distance of 2 meters during the peak of the pandemic unless you're surrounding yourself with naive people. I was able to go swimming in the lake in the summer, and skiing in the winter while Italy, France and Austria had this banned. weird to think about it but I honestly had a pretty fun time during covid and made some of the best friends to date during it. hell, we even had music festivals and our numbers were not horrible. I think you're thinking of Sweden. happens a lot.
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
they've been threatening this for year to keep suckling at the tit of governmental subsidies to make Switzerland look more attractive for investors with them being here. I doubt they'll follow through.
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Nazi gold didn't disappear after the Nazis fell. They still pocketed it all, despite knowing where all that wealth came from, and did fuck all to help rebuild Europe.
Other things like their appeasing attitude towards Russia, reluctance to allow weapons exports to Ukraine, and willingness to export weapons to awful regimes are all unambiguously current.
Huh. On the surface, they don't sound very neutral on the weapons stuff
. TIL. I wonder what their underlying reasoning for this is -
Note that this is written by Tuta, Protonmails main concurrent
@poutinewharf commented a screenshot of Proton's post, but the headline was about their AI chatbot, and the news about the Swiss move is buried at the end.
Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals(new window) to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move.
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
“In a democracy, the right way is to argue, not threaten to leave.” Socialist member of parliament said.
Does this man understand the very first day this law would approve Proton is dead? Do politicians understand privacy at all?
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
switzerland was never a utopia for anybody except corporations, billionaires, and nazis. their "neutrality" was nothing more than an excuse for unregulated capitalism.
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they've been threatening this for year to keep suckling at the tit of governmental subsidies to make Switzerland look more attractive for investors with them being here. I doubt they'll follow through.
It depends, privacy has been their entire marketing pitch forever.
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Hold up now! I'll have you know in some parts of the country women couldn't vote until the 90s! Also unmarried cohabitation was illegal in some cantons until the 80s and paternity leave as a concept only exists in Switzerland since the 00s.
US is still lacking that last item....
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Huh. On the surface, they don't sound very neutral on the weapons stuff
. TIL. I wonder what their underlying reasoning for this isMoney, it's always money...
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two factors:
- those novels were warnings about the path we were on
- dorkasses like musk and altman missed the allegorical point
Yea, true. And sad. We're fucked
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland never had solid privacy laws - and is known for intelligence service overreach for decades.
They had a Stasi like system of "who to imprison" when "the time comes".
They listen to all IP traffic in and out the country - which is concerning in times of traffic pattern analysis.
And they are known for their close cooperation with US intelligence services.Protons (and Threemas) claim of "soo good swiss privacy laws" is nothing more than swiss-washing. And they know it.
Proton has already given away data of its customers (climate activists) to the swiss authorities. And only talked about it when the press got onto it.
