Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US
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Not really many second bests out there, Sweden bent over and wants to join the EU and the Netherlands has had a rocky history of seizing data-centres.
Switzerland is the last stand for true neutrality.
I mean to my knowledge the US hasn't tried to force encryption backdoors recently?
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I mean to my knowledge the US hasn't tried to force encryption backdoors recently?
No but they’re still apart of the Five Eyes Alliance which regulates companies on how data is processed and handled.
If I’m not mistaken user data must be retained for 7 years under the five eyes alliance, I’ll try to find a source to this.
Edit - I think this describes the different alliances pretty well: https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/guide-to-the-5-9-14-eyes-alliances/
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No but they’re still apart of the Five Eyes Alliance which regulates companies on how data is processed and handled.
If I’m not mistaken user data must be retained for 7 years under the five eyes alliance, I’ll try to find a source to this.
Edit - I think this describes the different alliances pretty well: https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/guide-to-the-5-9-14-eyes-alliances/
Which has nothing to do with encryption?
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Which has nothing to do with encryption?
Which has nothing to do with encryption?
You’re right it doesn’t dive into encryption however, given that the data is still accessible a government agency can surely decrypt it if they truly wanted to, even if it take them years.
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Which has nothing to do with encryption?
You’re right it doesn’t dive into encryption however, given that the data is still accessible a government agency can surely decrypt it if they truly wanted to, even if it take them years.
a government agency can surely decrypt it if they truly wanted to
They can't. Not using any known technology. Even basic encryption like AES256 would take 10^50 years on a supercomputer. That's not even getting into quantum-resistant encryption.
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta
Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
Tuta (tuta.com)
Powers that would make the US blush!? Give me a fucking break. The US spies on all communication in the entire world.
Proton is a joke and their CEO is an obvious fascist. It was stupid to think a corporation is the answer to privacy anyways. They obey all countries rules and turn over your information the moment they are asked by governments.
The future of privacy in Switzerland is in the hands of the citizens. Let's hope they make the right decisions and encourage them to do so.
If these corporations really cared about privacy they would be promoting laws to make it enshrined in our constitutions. The reality is privacy is just another way to market to the masses who don't know better.
My cynical side says these "privacy" focused corporations not wanting privacy to be enshrined in law is because then every business would be privacy minded and their marketing advantage would quickly disappear.
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Not really many second bests out there, Sweden bent over and wants to join the EU and the Netherlands has had a rocky history of seizing data-centres.
Switzerland is the last stand for true neutrality.
Sweden bent over and wants to join the EU
Ah, to live in 1994 again.
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Oh look, another one who's brain has been melted by propaganda.
Imagine simping for a foreign threat actor
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta
Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
Tuta (tuta.com)
It was inevitable. What did you all expect from the country that hoarded all that nazi gold?
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta
Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
Tuta (tuta.com)
when legislation removes a whole well know phrase in one fell swoop. Bye bye "swiss bank account"
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta
Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
Tuta (tuta.com)
If I have to fucking switch mail hosts again... what the hell is the point in using proton for privacy and now I'm sure that's going to get ruined.
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If I have to fucking switch mail hosts again... what the hell is the point in using proton for privacy and now I'm sure that's going to get ruined.
Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
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when legislation removes a whole well know phrase in one fell swoop. Bye bye "swiss bank account"
There’ll be a clause that banks are exempt
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I visited Switzerland just after the vaccines dropped. The Swiss COVID response far surpassed the response in the United States. They rolled out a nation-wide app for vaccination attestation, and any museum, restaurant, etc. could scan a QR code on someone's phone with a phone. But do they have a scary, socially reactionary subset of their population? Yes.
In some harmful ways they are fanatically culturally conservative. But they also care about community, sustainability, health, the well-being of children, environmental preservation, organization, and self-reliance. Being a small, rich, homogeneous, topographically-isolated country drives these characteristics.
Surveillance State developments are depressing but not surprising.
Thanks for the informative comment, a response that outshines the US is literally anything to be fair.
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
One would hope so, or their fundamental ethics as a company are nonexistent.
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If I have to fucking switch mail hosts again... what the hell is the point in using proton for privacy and now I'm sure that's going to get ruined.
I self host mine. Honestly I just self host as much as I can to avoid stuff like this because while many European companies are great you just never know. I was with Tuta but decided to self host, same for when I was using Filen for backups. Hell I'm even self hosting my git repos and search engine now.
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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA.** If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.**
Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta
Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
Tuta (tuta.com)
Note that this is written by Tuta, Protonmails main concurrent
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But on the minus side, it's a cross
on the minus side we have austria
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You account is anonymous only if you have over a billion.
or are american
