Elon Musk wants to rewrite "the entire corpus of human knowledge" with Grok
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
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schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:28 zuletzt editiert vonI believe it won't work.
They would have to change so much info that won't make a coherent whole. So many alternative facts that clash with so many other aspects of life. So asking about any of it would cause errors because of the many conflicts.
Sure it might work for a bit, but it would quickly degrade and will be so much slower than other models since it needs to error correct constantly.
An other thing is that their training data will also be very limited, and they would have to check every single other one thoroughly for "false info". Increasing their manual labour.
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Whatever. The next generation will have to learn to trust whether the material is true or not by using sources like Wikipedia or books by well-regarded authors.
The other thing that he doesn't understand (and most "AI" advocates don't either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They're just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context. Anyone trying to address the facts and information produced by these models is completely missing the point.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:29 zuletzt editiert vonThinking wikipedia or other unbiased sources will still be available in a decade or so is wishful thinking. Once the digital stranglehold kicks in, it'll be mandatory sign-in with gov vetted identity provider and your sources will be limited to what that gov allows you to see. MMW.
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Whatever. The next generation will have to learn to trust whether the material is true or not by using sources like Wikipedia or books by well-regarded authors.
The other thing that he doesn't understand (and most "AI" advocates don't either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They're just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context. Anyone trying to address the facts and information produced by these models is completely missing the point.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:38 zuletzt editiert von aaron@infosec.pubasdf
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Training an AI model on AI output? Isn't that like the one big no-no?
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:39 zuletzt editiert vonThey used to think that, but it is actually not that bad.
Like iterations with machine learning, you can train it with optimized output.
That isn't the dumb part about this.
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Thinking wikipedia or other unbiased sources will still be available in a decade or so is wishful thinking. Once the digital stranglehold kicks in, it'll be mandatory sign-in with gov vetted identity provider and your sources will be limited to what that gov allows you to see. MMW.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:42 zuletzt editiert vonWikipedia is quite resilient - you can even put it on a USB drive. As long as you have a free operating system, there will always be ways to access it.
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Surprised he didn’t name it Giga Reasoning or some other dumb shit.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:46 zuletzt editiert vonGigachad Reasoning
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Like all Point-Haired Bosses through the history, Elon has not heard of (or consciously chooses to ignore) one of the fundamental laws of computing: garbage in, garbage out
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:51 zuletzt editiert vonMaybe someone should write a new Art of War to explain to tech CEOs the basic ins and outs of technology development.
- Like you can't throw more developers on a project to make it finish faster.
- Cutting budgets isn't just free money, they come with detriments.
- You can't scamp on security. It can take a single zero day to bankrupt a company.
- There are limits to an internet connection. You can't expect everyone to have gigabit internet.
The basic shit every person working in the field understands. Except for the out-of-touch management.
Call it the Art of Commerce or something. -
We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 08:52 zuletzt editiert vonYou want to have a non-final product write the training for the next level of bot? Sure, makes sense if you're stupid. Why did all these companies waste time stealing when they could just have one bot make data for the next bot to train on? Infinite data!
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:03 zuletzt editiert vonMeme image: Elon ducking his own tiny nub.
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schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:06 zuletzt editiert vonWikipedia gives lists of their sources, judge what you read based off of that. Or just skip to the sources and read them instead.
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Elon should seriously see a medical professional.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:12 zuletzt editiert vonI'll have you know he's seeing a medical professional at least once a day. Sometimes multiple times!!!!
(On an absolutely and completely unrelated note ketamine dealers are medical professionals, yeah?)
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:16 zuletzt editiert voni'll allow it so long as grok acknowledges that musk was made rich from inherited wealth that was created using an apartheid emerald mine.
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:18 zuletzt editiert vonI'm sure the second Grok in the human centipede will find that very nutritious.
If you use that Grok, you'll be third in the centipede. Enjoy.
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Wikipedia gives lists of their sources, judge what you read based off of that. Or just skip to the sources and read them instead.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:23 zuletzt editiert von aaron@infosec.pubasdf
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adding missing information and deleting errors
Which is to say, "I'm sick of Grok accurately portraying me as an evil dipshit, so I'm going to feed it a bunch of right-wing talking points and get rid of anything that hurts my feelings."
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:33 zuletzt editiert vonThat is definitely how I read it.
History can’t just be ‘rewritten’ by A.I. and taken as truth. That’s fucking stupid.
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:38 zuletzt editiert vonadvanced reasoning
If it's so advanced, it should be able to reason out that all human knowledge is standing in the shoulders of others and how errors have prompted us to explore other areas and learn things we never would have otherwise.
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 09:56 zuletzt editiert vonDon't feed the trolls.
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
::: spoiler More Context
Source.
:::schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 10:04 zuletzt editiert von[My] translation: "I want to rewrite history to what I want".
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Wikipedia is quite resilient - you can even put it on a USB drive. As long as you have a free operating system, there will always be ways to access it.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 10:19 zuletzt editiert vonI keep a partial local copy of Wikipedia on my phone and backup device with an app called Kiwix. Great if you need access to certain items in remote areas with no access to the internet.
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Thinking wikipedia or other unbiased sources will still be available in a decade or so is wishful thinking. Once the digital stranglehold kicks in, it'll be mandatory sign-in with gov vetted identity provider and your sources will be limited to what that gov allows you to see. MMW.
schrieb am 23. Juni 2025, 10:34 zuletzt editiert vonYes. There will be no websites only AI and apps. You will be automatically logged in to the apps. Linux, Lemmy will be baned. We will be classed as hackers and criminals. We probably have to build our own mesh network for communication or access it from a secret location.
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