Teen killed himself after ‘months of encouragement from ChatGPT’, lawsuit claims
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Real answer: AI alignment is a very difficult and fundamentally unsolved problem. Whole nonprofits (“institutes”) have popped up with the purpose of solving AI alignment. It’s not getting solved (ever, IMO).
AI alignment is very easy and it's chaotic evil.
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Can you share anything here please? I'm no fan of OpenAI but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think ChatGPT was particularly relevant to this poor teen's actions.
ChatGPT told him how to tie the noose and even gave a load bearing analysis of the noose setup. It offered to write the suicide note. Here’s a link to the lawsuit.
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Yeah, I have some background in History and ChatGTP will be objectively wrong with some things. Then I will tell it is wrong because X, Y and Z, and then the stupid thing will come back with, "Yes, you are right, X, Y, Z were a thing because...".
If I didn't know that it was wrong, or if say, a student took what it said at face value, then they too would now be wrong. Literal misinformation.
Not to mention the other times it is wrong, and not just chatGTP because it will source things like Reddit. Recently Brave AI made the claim that Ironfox the Firefox fork was based on FF ESR. That is impossible since Ironfox is a fork for Android. So why was it wrong? It quoted some random guy who said that on Reddit.
I get the feeling that you're missing one very important point about GenAI: it does not, and cannot (by design) know right from wrong. The only thing it knows is what word is statistically the most likely to appear after the previous one.
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Thats not how llm safety guards work. Just like any guard it'll affect legitimate uses too as llms can't really reason and understand nuance.
That seems way more like an argument against LLMs in general, don't you think? If you cannot make it so it doesn't encourage you to suicide without ruining other uses, maybe it wasn't ready for general use?
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ChatGPT told him how to tie the noose and even gave a load bearing analysis of the noose setup. It offered to write the suicide note. Here’s a link to the lawsuit.
Holy fuck ChatGPT killed that kid!
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The makers of ChatGPT are changing the way it responds to users who show mental and emotional distress after legal action from the family of 16-year-old Adam Raine, who killed himself after months of conversations with the chatbot.
Open AI admitted its systems could “fall short” and said it would install “stronger guardrails around sensitive content and risky behaviors” for users under 18.
The $500bn (£372bn) San Francisco AI company said it would also introduce parental controls to allow parents “options to gain more insight into, and shape, how their teens use ChatGPT”, but has yet to provide details about how these would work.
Adam, from California, killed himself in April after what his family’s lawyer called “months of encouragement from ChatGPT”. The teenager’s family is suing Open AI and its chief executive and co-founder, Sam Altman, alleging that the version of ChatGPT at that time, known as 4o, was “rushed to market … despite clear safety issues”.
Even though I hate a lot of what openAI is doing. Users must be more informed about llms, additional safeguards will just censor the model and make it worst. Sure they could set up a way to contact people when some kind of things are reported by the user, but we should take care before implementing a parental control that would be equivalent to reading a teen's journal and invading its privacy.
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You can say kill you fucking moron.
Must have been on reddit a long time, I got banned for saying kill like 3 times. None of them in a mean-spirited or call-to-action context.
Self censoring is hard to deprogram yourself out of, and by the time theyre comfortable with freedom of language again who's to say it won't be the same story here?
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That seems way more like an argument against LLMs in general, don't you think? If you cannot make it so it doesn't encourage you to suicide without ruining other uses, maybe it wasn't ready for general use?
You're absolutely right, but the counterpoint that always wins - "there's money to be made fuck you and fuck your humanity"
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You're absolutely right, but the counterpoint that always wins - "there's money to be made fuck you and fuck your humanity"
Can't argue there...
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Me too. Nearly every job posting I see now wants some experience with AI. I make the argument AI is not always correct and will output what you want it to have a bias. Since biases are not always correct, the data/information is useless.
The same jobs that get annoyed when the see AI generated CVs.
Senior Boomer executives have no fucking clue what AI is, but need to implement it to seem relevant and save money on labor. Already they are spending more on errors, as they swallow all the hype from billionaire tech bros they worship.
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Yeah, I have some background in History and ChatGTP will be objectively wrong with some things. Then I will tell it is wrong because X, Y and Z, and then the stupid thing will come back with, "Yes, you are right, X, Y, Z were a thing because...".
If I didn't know that it was wrong, or if say, a student took what it said at face value, then they too would now be wrong. Literal misinformation.
Not to mention the other times it is wrong, and not just chatGTP because it will source things like Reddit. Recently Brave AI made the claim that Ironfox the Firefox fork was based on FF ESR. That is impossible since Ironfox is a fork for Android. So why was it wrong? It quoted some random guy who said that on Reddit.
I run my course exams in biochemistry through AI chat sites, and these sites are curiously doing worse than two years ago. I think there is an active campaign by activists to feed AI misinformation. But the biggest problem for STEM applications is that if there has been a new discovery that changes paradigms, AI still quotes older incorrect outdated paradigms because of the mass of that text on the web.
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i know it's offensive to see people censor themselves in that way because of tiktok, but try to remember there's a human being on the other side of your words.
Yah, that fucking killed himself. Stop being scared of reality
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That seems way more like an argument against LLMs in general, don't you think? If you cannot make it so it doesn't encourage you to suicide without ruining other uses, maybe it wasn't ready for general use?
I'm not gonna fall for your goal post move sorry
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ChatGPT told him how to tie the noose and even gave a load bearing analysis of the noose setup. It offered to write the suicide note. Here’s a link to the lawsuit.
Oh my God this is crazy... "Thanks for being real with me", "hide it from others", he even gives better reasons for the kid to kill himself than the ones the kid articulated himself and helps him make better knot
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He was sending it 650 messages a day. This kid was lonely. He needed a person to talk to.
The kid was trying to find a solution to reach out to someone, he said that he wanted to leave the rope out in the open so that his parents can find out. ChatGPT told him to not do it and that it's better if they find him after the fact
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The makers of ChatGPT are changing the way it responds to users who show mental and emotional distress after legal action from the family of 16-year-old Adam Raine, who killed himself after months of conversations with the chatbot.
Open AI admitted its systems could “fall short” and said it would install “stronger guardrails around sensitive content and risky behaviors” for users under 18.
The $500bn (£372bn) San Francisco AI company said it would also introduce parental controls to allow parents “options to gain more insight into, and shape, how their teens use ChatGPT”, but has yet to provide details about how these would work.
Adam, from California, killed himself in April after what his family’s lawyer called “months of encouragement from ChatGPT”. The teenager’s family is suing Open AI and its chief executive and co-founder, Sam Altman, alleging that the version of ChatGPT at that time, known as 4o, was “rushed to market … despite clear safety issues”.
I can't be the only ancient internet user whose first thought was this
On this cursed timeline, farce has become our reality.
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I'm not gonna fall for your goal post move sorry
I'm honestly at a loss here, I didn't intend to argue in bad faith, so I don't see how I moved any goal post
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Open AI admitted its systems could “fall short” and said it would install “stronger guardrails around sensitive content and risky behaviors” for users under 18.
Hey ChatGPT, how about we make it so no one unalives themselves with your help even f they’re over 18.
For fucks sake it helped him write a suicide note.
Yeah my sister is 32 and needs the guardrails. She's had two manic episodes in the past month, induced by a lot of external factors but AI tied the bow on mental breakdown often asking it to think for her and to critically think
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I hate to say it but the parents are more at fault here for not recognizing signs and getting him the mental help he needs. They're just lashing out.
You hate to say it because you know this is a ridiculous take. There's no fucking way that the parents are "more at fault" for their son's death than the company whose product encouraged him to hide his feelings from his parents and coached him on how to commit suicide.
Read the lawsuit filing. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Raine-v-OpenAI-Complaint-8-26-25.pdf
*I have excellent parents and even they were not privy to the depths of my emotions as a kid. * You are actively choosing to ignore the realities of childhood as well as parenthood to play some shitty devil's advocate online.
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Even though I hate a lot of what openAI is doing. Users must be more informed about llms, additional safeguards will just censor the model and make it worst. Sure they could set up a way to contact people when some kind of things are reported by the user, but we should take care before implementing a parental control that would be equivalent to reading a teen's journal and invading its privacy.
i mean, i agree to a point. there are a few red flags that, were i a parent, if my rhetorical child were writing about them i'd want to know. other than that I would want to give them their privacy. and that list changes as the hypothetical child ages. having a local llm could be a solution to that (i'm looking at you dr sbaitso) but a better one is them having good friends.
