I read some of that lawsuit. OpenAI murdered that kid.

Unpopular opinion - parents fail parenting and now getting a big pay day and ruining the tool for everyone else.

Not encouraging users to kill themselves is "ruining it"? Lmao

In the very first post on this thread I pointed out that I'm not talking about this specific case at all.

Me too. Nearly every job posting I see now wants some experience with AI. I make the argument AI is not always correct and will output what you want it to have a bias. Since biases are not always correct, the data/information is useless.

I can't wait for the AI bubble to burst. It's fuckign cancer

Real answer: AI alignment is a very difficult and fundamentally unsolved problem. Whole nonprofits (“institutes”) have popped up with the purpose of solving AI alignment. It’s not getting solved (ever, IMO).

Can you share anything here please? I'm no fan of OpenAI but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think ChatGPT was particularly relevant to this poor teen's actions.

Yeah, I have some background in History and ChatGTP will be objectively wrong with some things. Then I will tell it is wrong because X, Y and Z, and then the stupid thing will come back with, "Yes, you are right, X, Y, Z were a thing because...".

If I didn't know that it was wrong, or if say, a student took what it said at face value, then they too would now be wrong. Literal misinformation.

Not to mention the other times it is wrong, and not just chatGTP because it will source things like Reddit. Recently Brave AI made the claim that Ironfox the Firefox fork was based on FF ESR. That is impossible since Ironfox is a fork for Android. So why was it wrong? It quoted some random guy who said that on Reddit.

Thats not how llm safety guards work. Just like any guard it'll affect legitimate uses too as llms can't really reason and understand nuance.

ChatGPT told him how to tie the noose and even gave a load bearing analysis of the noose setup. It offered to write the suicide note. Here’s a link to the lawsuit.

Raine Lawsuit Filing

The makers of ChatGPT are changing the way it responds to users who show mental and emotional distress after legal action from the family of 16-year-old Adam Raine, who killed himself after months of conversations with the chatbot.

Open AI admitted its systems could “fall short” and said it would install “stronger guardrails around sensitive content and risky behaviors” for users under 18.

The $500bn (£372bn) San Francisco AI company said it would also introduce parental controls to allow parents “options to gain more insight into, and shape, how their teens use ChatGPT”, but has yet to provide details about how these would work.

Adam, from California, killed himself in April after what his family’s lawyer called “months of encouragement from ChatGPT”. The teenager’s family is suing Open AI and its chief executive and co-founder, Sam Altman, alleging that the version of ChatGPT at that time, known as 4o, was “rushed to market … despite clear safety issues”.

You can say kill you fucking moron.

That seems way more like an argument against LLMs in general, don't you think? If you cannot make it so it doesn't encourage you to suicide without ruining other uses, maybe it wasn't ready for general use?

You're absolutely right, but the counterpoint that always wins - "there's money to be made fuck you and fuck your humanity"

Me too. Nearly every job posting I see now wants some experience with AI. I make the argument AI is not always correct and will output what you want it to have a bias. Since biases are not always correct, the data/information is useless.

Yeah, I have some background in History and ChatGTP will be objectively wrong with some things. Then I will tell it is wrong because X, Y and Z, and then the stupid thing will come back with, "Yes, you are right, X, Y, Z were a thing because...".

If I didn't know that it was wrong, or if say, a student took what it said at face value, then they too would now be wrong. Literal misinformation.

Not to mention the other times it is wrong, and not just chatGTP because it will source things like Reddit. Recently Brave AI made the claim that Ironfox the Firefox fork was based on FF ESR. That is impossible since Ironfox is a fork for Android. So why was it wrong? It quoted some random guy who said that on Reddit.

i know it's offensive to see people censor themselves in that way because of tiktok, but try to remember there's a human being on the other side of your words.

That seems way more like an argument against LLMs in general, don't you think? If you cannot make it so it doesn't encourage you to suicide without ruining other uses, maybe it wasn't ready for general use?

ChatGPT told him how to tie the noose and even gave a load bearing analysis of the noose setup. It offered to write the suicide note. Here’s a link to the lawsuit.

Raine Lawsuit Filing