Trump social media site brought down by Iran hackers
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Those are both way more useful than exploiting a lazy coder’s fuckup
I never said social engineering, physical breaching, exerting force on people, and other ways of compromising systems weren't useful. They just aren't hacking to me, otherwise the term is too broad to be very useful.
You're free to come up with your own definition, I was asked to define it and that's my best shot for now.
I think a better definition would be "achieve something in an unintended or uncommon way". Fits the bill on what generally passes in the tech community as a "hack" while also covering some normal life stuff.
Getting a cheaper flight booked by using a IP address assigned to a different geographical location? Sure I'd call that a life hack. Getting a cheaper flight by booking a late night, early morning flight? No, those are deliberately cheaper
Also re: your other comment about not making a reply at all, sometimes for people like us it's just better to not get into internet fights over semantics (no matter how much fun they can be)
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Those are both way more useful than exploiting a lazy coder’s fuckup
I never said social engineering, physical breaching, exerting force on people, and other ways of compromising systems weren't useful. They just aren't hacking to me, otherwise the term is too broad to be very useful.
You're free to come up with your own definition, I was asked to define it and that's my best shot for now.
Mitnick mostly social engineered. Most of the big famous attacks at least involved a component of that.
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I think a better definition would be "achieve something in an unintended or uncommon way". Fits the bill on what generally passes in the tech community as a "hack" while also covering some normal life stuff.
Getting a cheaper flight booked by using a IP address assigned to a different geographical location? Sure I'd call that a life hack. Getting a cheaper flight by booking a late night, early morning flight? No, those are deliberately cheaper
Also re: your other comment about not making a reply at all, sometimes for people like us it's just better to not get into internet fights over semantics (no matter how much fun they can be)
Your definition is probably better. I can very much vibe with that.
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DDoS is not hacking
The word "hack" is pre-internet. A "hack" journalist or a "hack job" is basically something unprofessional. It is movies that turned "hackers" into someone that gained access to the "mainframe". In the realm of computer systems, I would argue that a "hack" is doing anything the system was not intended/designed to do. A successful DoS or DDoS needs to find some component of the system that wasn't designed to handle the amount of traffic about to be sent to it.
There are protections for DDoS (iptables, fail2ban, Cloudflare and so on), you have to figure out a way around them, that's a hack.
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You know my first instinct wast to reply with: "No."
Maybe I should have stuck with that. I had a feeling this would lead nowhere.
I had a feeling this would lead nowhere.
precisely the point I was trying to make.
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You say this like the hour all major SAAS went down 2 weeks ago was nothing. MILLIONS lost in business hours is not nothing.
Who gives a fuck about the travails of corporations on the internet?
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It's been tried. A huge percentage of the internet runs on Amazon web services... And a massive ddos attack on that barely bumped it beyond the level of holiday shopping.
To get anywhere on "taking down the internet" they'd probably have to physically take out many sites across the globe.
Sea cables are probably the most vulnerable point of the internet. There are comparatively few of them (on the order of a few hundreds), they are long, and most of their length is not guarded at all. The only reason I can think of, why nobody has targeted them at large is that it would also cut of the attacker.
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DDoS is not hacking
Hacking isn't hacking it's usually cracking
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The word "hack" is pre-internet. A "hack" journalist or a "hack job" is basically something unprofessional. It is movies that turned "hackers" into someone that gained access to the "mainframe". In the realm of computer systems, I would argue that a "hack" is doing anything the system was not intended/designed to do. A successful DoS or DDoS needs to find some component of the system that wasn't designed to handle the amount of traffic about to be sent to it.
There are protections for DDoS (iptables, fail2ban, Cloudflare and so on), you have to figure out a way around them, that's a hack.
The current tech-related usage was coined at MIT to mean working on a system. Funny that the oldest recorded source comes from MIT model railroad team.
