matrix is cooked
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I find it really frustrating that supporters of Open Protocols appear to live in cognitive dissonance of both wanting to be "used by everyone" and "to be a small gated community".
You can't keep money out forever and with that does come influence which I know. But eventually wouldn't you like to talk to your mother on a protocol you trust, with a client she understands?
Yeah... well, it seems to me that Matrix is potentially there. I mean I could install Element X on my parents' phones, set it up with some account and be done with it. It would be as good as signal and whatsapp from an UX perspective. And I could then chat with them with any of the existing dozens of Matrix clients.
The worst problem, if you can call it that, currently is that Signal is good enough.
All in all, I think reading through all these messages makes me feel like doubling down on Matrix. It is currently a very passable IRC, Signal and Slack replacement and the only remaining problem is that those things already exist.
(Discord doesn't need replacing, just destroying)
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
That's like saying POP3 is cooked.
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How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
Matrix is the best option and we should be focusing on improving it instead of restarting from scratch.
They need more resources and better design, but that comes with time. Don't let them sucker you out of money to fuel their consumerist lifestyles.
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VC funding destroys everything it touches.
It's fine if matrix.org goes down the shitter.
The protocol is what's important.
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SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I've seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn't know.
Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator's views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
"I was going to buy that house, but the owner's views made me reconsider. I decided to go with something worse."
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cheap and easy? I tried running it myself and ran into several hurdles, and gave up. How did you host it? VPS? Docker? Bare-metal?
I installed it with pip in 2017 without issues
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why does matrix require you self hosting? There’s a bunch of free open-signup servers available
Because Matrix isn't exactly private since it's meant to be a Discord clone and I share piracy among my friends and family, or for the sexy times with my friends, I need something that at least has self-destructing messages and chats where messages dissapear after some time.
I could trust it if I could self-host, but I lack the hardware (disk space, mostly) and the availability (I can't leave my pc on all the time [also I live in México, the internet is terrible and I tend to hog it if I'm downloading something]), so I'd have to trust some random yahoo with my stuff but it wouldn't have what I'm looking for anyway.
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Which one of those is closer to what Telegram brings to the table?
Mostly pretty stuff like gifs/mp4/webm with alpha, stickers, animated stickers and handling things like webp/webm, self-destructing multimedia, chats that dissapear after X time, sending huge files, the option to send something as a file if it can't be played internally, a desktop version that I can use simultaneusly... maybe groups and channels too, adding people by alias instead of phone number (maybe qr, but not a huge link like the one SimpleX uses).You know, things that could help me to bring my "friends" and family on board or at least to give it a try.
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Because Matrix isn't exactly private since it's meant to be a Discord clone and I share piracy among my friends and family, or for the sexy times with my friends, I need something that at least has self-destructing messages and chats where messages dissapear after some time.
I could trust it if I could self-host, but I lack the hardware (disk space, mostly) and the availability (I can't leave my pc on all the time [also I live in México, the internet is terrible and I tend to hog it if I'm downloading something]), so I'd have to trust some random yahoo with my stuff but it wouldn't have what I'm looking for anyway.
matrix isn’t meant to be a discord clone, the matrix project is actually older than discord. the chats in all major clients are end-to-end encrypted now, too. are you maybe thinking of revolt?
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Which one of those is closer to what Telegram brings to the table?
Mostly pretty stuff like gifs/mp4/webm with alpha, stickers, animated stickers and handling things like webp/webm, self-destructing multimedia, chats that dissapear after X time, sending huge files, the option to send something as a file if it can't be played internally, a desktop version that I can use simultaneusly... maybe groups and channels too, adding people by alias instead of phone number (maybe qr, but not a huge link like the one SimpleX uses).You know, things that could help me to bring my "friends" and family on board or at least to give it a try.
Just try and see for yourself. Like I said, only tried Keet. Features
- Share files as big as you like, 2m, 2g, 2t, doesn't matter
- Windows, linux, ios, android
- Groups, dm's, broadcast feed
- No phone number or email needed, add by alias/link/qr
- Unlimited call quality since theres no server in between or throttling
- Share emojis, gifs, videos (no stickers or self-destruct atm)
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?Take a look at Delta chat? I can’t find a fault with it yet..
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no mention of tox chat, eh? Open source, p2p private chat, what's not to like?
I think you can't message people who are offline, right? I've used it before, and like the idea, but both people having to be signed it at the same time wouldn't work that well for me & my contacts, since we're in different time zones.
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
Cooked al dente?
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Cooked al dente?
With a bit of green pesto and chianti.
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Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator's views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
"I was going to buy that house, but the owner's views made me reconsider. I decided to go with something worse."
Yes, unfortunately that is the current reality. Note also the subtle hints this article points to: if you disagree with any of the tenents of our clique, you're evil. In this case, Matrix uses capitalistic toolsets, which implies it is evil, and you should rather use an unfinished alternative because it's made a by a trans person which is virtuous.
Amusing to think that these people apparently tried to weaponize "weird" against Trump et al.
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Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.
Delta chat is hilariously slow. It's less of an instant messenger and moreover next business day messenger. That's ignoring the problems you'll have running it on your own infrastructure.
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Because Matrix isn't exactly private since it's meant to be a Discord clone and I share piracy among my friends and family, or for the sexy times with my friends, I need something that at least has self-destructing messages and chats where messages dissapear after some time.
I could trust it if I could self-host, but I lack the hardware (disk space, mostly) and the availability (I can't leave my pc on all the time [also I live in México, the internet is terrible and I tend to hog it if I'm downloading something]), so I'd have to trust some random yahoo with my stuff but it wouldn't have what I'm looking for anyway.
Electric is not a discord clone and element has a customer base more similar to slack.
And to end encrypted direct messages have been the default for years now in Matrix. -
I like the concept of delta.chat the most. Anyone here use it? Any reason why it hasn't caught on?
Could it support technical FOSS channels with thousands of participants, like what IRC was awesome for and Matrix seems to be pretty ok at?
Copying my post from up thread:
Delta chat is hilariously slow. It’s less of an instant messenger and moreover next business day messenger. That’s ignoring the problems you’ll have running it on your own infrastructure.
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That last part is the "problem", I just need something to text and send memes and files, but convincing the people around me to leave animations and stickers behind would be impossible.
That's very fair. Better start contributing I guess.
