Honestly, I get why one would be discouraged by signal, but as long as your threat model is not "NSA and mossad have a price on my head", I think it is still the best non-federated alternative. I'd rather take a flawed messenger with well regarded encryption than a beta version that nobody with time and crypto knowledge ever looked at.

It's not any worse than the differen't feature support levels of different Matrix clients. But especially on Android, XMPP has nice modern clients with all the features you would expect, including a/v calls and reactions/stickers.

The main issue right now are up to date Windows desktop clients, but on Linux desktop there are some good options.

Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- good discussion in that thread in general

Well... Matrix. I don't think it requires self-hosting? It's E2EE and there are plenty of public servers.

I find it really frustrating that supporters of Open Protocols appear to live in cognitive dissonance of both wanting to be "used by everyone" and "to be a small gated community".

You can't keep money out forever and with that does come influence which I know. But eventually wouldn't you like to talk to your mother on a protocol you trust, with a client she understands?

If you're willing to look, you can always find a hater

Mentioned here

Link to this issue

Yeah... well, it seems to me that Matrix is potentially there. I mean I could install Element X on my parents' phones, set it up with some account and be done with it. It would be as good as signal and whatsapp from an UX perspective. And I could then chat with them with any of the existing dozens of Matrix clients.

The worst problem, if you can call it that, currently is that Signal is good enough.

All in all, I think reading through all these messages makes me feel like doubling down on Matrix. It is currently a very passable IRC, Signal and Slack replacement and the only remaining problem is that those things already exist.

(Discord doesn't need replacing, just destroying)

That's like saying POP3 is cooked.

Matrix is the best option and we should be focusing on improving it instead of restarting from scratch.

They need more resources and better design, but that comes with time. Don't let them sucker you out of money to fuel their consumerist lifestyles.

It's fine if matrix.org goes down the shitter.

The protocol is what's important.

Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator's views?

What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.

"I was going to buy that house, but the owner's views made me reconsider. I decided to go with something worse."

I installed it with pip in 2017 without issues

Because Matrix isn't exactly private since it's meant to be a Discord clone and I share piracy among my friends and family, or for the sexy times with my friends, I need something that at least has self-destructing messages and chats where messages dissapear after some time.

I could trust it if I could self-host, but I lack the hardware (disk space, mostly) and the availability (I can't leave my pc on all the time [also I live in México, the internet is terrible and I tend to hog it if I'm downloading something]), so I'd have to trust some random yahoo with my stuff but it wouldn't have what I'm looking for anyway.

Which one of those is closer to what Telegram brings to the table?
Mostly pretty stuff like gifs/mp4/webm with alpha, stickers, animated stickers and handling things like webp/webm, self-destructing multimedia, chats that dissapear after X time, sending huge files, the option to send something as a file if it can't be played internally, a desktop version that I can use simultaneusly... maybe groups and channels too, adding people by alias instead of phone number (maybe qr, but not a huge link like the one SimpleX uses).

You know, things that could help me to bring my "friends" and family on board or at least to give it a try.

matrix isn’t meant to be a discord clone, the matrix project is actually older than discord. the chats in all major clients are end-to-end encrypted now, too. are you maybe thinking of revolt?

Just try and see for yourself. Like I said, only tried Keet. Features

• Share files as big as you like, 2m, 2g, 2t, doesn't matter
• Windows, linux, ios, android
• Groups, dm's, broadcast feed
• No phone number or email needed, add by alias/link/qr
• Unlimited call quality since theres no server in between or throttling
• Share emojis, gifs, videos (no stickers or self-destruct atm)

Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.

Take a look at Delta chat? I can’t find a fault with it yet..

I think you can't message people who are offline, right? I've used it before, and like the idea, but both people having to be signed it at the same time wouldn't work that well for me & my contacts, since we're in different time zones.

Cooked al dente?