matrix is cooked
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 13:41 zuletzt editiert vonVC funding destroys everything it touches.
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SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I've seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn't know.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 15:46 zuletzt editiert vonFuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left? -
Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 15:52 zuletzt editiert vonThe write-up I'm referencing has some at the end. Maybe Delta chat?
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 16:55 zuletzt editiert vonwhy does matrix require you self hosting? There’s a bunch of free open-signup servers available
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I wouldn’t trust encryption made by anti-vaxer
My understanding of encryption is that the point is that you don't have to trust the people doing it. You just have to trust the security research community that proved that the algorithms/protocols work. Or if you're a hardcore security guy yourself, you can review it yourself.
Also, my understanding of people is that what they seem like is no evidence for what kind of people they really are.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 18:29 zuletzt editiert vonIt's a tricky line. On one hand, I agree that you don't need to trust the person—just the code and the cryptographic model. But at the same time, if the dev is actively pushing misinformation or has a history of hostility toward marginalized groups, it erodes my confidence in their ethical choices about security and privacy. Trust isn’t just technical.
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This article is nonsense. The Foundation was always a front for New Vector and their board is largely made up by New Vector employees. So of course they knew what was going on.
New Vector simply decided that the strategy to make Matrix appear as an open standard was against their business interests and thus left the foundation to fend for itself with obvious consequences.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 18:39 zuletzt editiert vonKnowing it or not, the result is the same, isn't it?
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SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I've seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn't know.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 18:42 zuletzt editiert vonThank you so, so, so, so much for saying this!
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 18:43 zuletzt editiert vonXMPP? The clients not supporting things can suck, but it's worked well for me.
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SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I've seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn't know.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 18:56 zuletzt editiert vonThis should be an awareness post on some tech communities
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:07 zuletzt editiert vonno mention of tox chat , eh? Open source, p2p private chat, what's not to like?
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Personally have been hosting my own server for me and friends. Cheaper and easier than I expected it to be
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:09 zuletzt editiert voncheap and easy? I tried running it myself and ran into several hurdles, and gave up. How did you host it? VPS? Docker? Bare-metal?
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:19 zuletzt editiert vonIt is forkable if necessary. I do think SimpleX is a great piece of software that shouldn't be reinvented because of the founder.
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This attitude has worked so well for allowing the current crop of tech billionaires to grow and cement their influence over the entire world. If people would just stop using their platforms when they hear the CEO's batshit views then they would be nobodies.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:21 zuletzt editiert von unhrpetby@sh.itjust.worksThe SimpleX Chat is AGPL. If the founder is problematic, one can fork it and avoid reinventing what has already been made.
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I think it’d help them a lot to disable new signups on the m.org home server for a while and direct people to some of the other popular options, they spend too much on their own example server imo
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:28 zuletzt editiert von povoq@slrpnk.netIt is a bit counter-intuitive but restricting new signups will not help them much. The way the matrix protocol is designed, i.e. replicating everything on every server, means that clients connecting to their server have only a minor impact. As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver their costs will stay high and there isn't really much they can do about that other than shutting it down entirely.
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Are you asking if I insist that the minds behind my secure private chat have some moral standing and common sense? One would hope so. I wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than I would trust a plane put tougher by flat-earther. I don't want to be the hero of the next leopard eat my face song.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:29 zuletzt editiert vonI wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than...
Important to note: SimpleX Chat has gone through two security audits .
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I wouldn’t trust encryption made by anti-vaxer
My understanding of encryption is that the point is that you don't have to trust the people doing it. You just have to trust the security research community that proved that the algorithms/protocols work. Or if you're a hardcore security guy yourself, you can review it yourself.
Also, my understanding of people is that what they seem like is no evidence for what kind of people they really are.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:30 zuletzt editiert von...that proved that the algorithms/protocols work.
You can use a perfect algorithm and still be insecure because the implementation was bad. You are trusting the SimpleX Chat devs to a degree.
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The SimpleX Chat is AGPL. If the founder is problematic, one can fork it and avoid reinventing what has already been made.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 19:43 zuletzt editiert vongo on then
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 20:08 zuletzt editiert vonHow complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
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It is a bit counter-intuitive but restricting new signups will not help them much. The way the matrix protocol is designed, i.e. replicating everything on every server, means that clients connecting to their server have only a minor impact. As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver their costs will stay high and there isn't really much they can do about that other than shutting it down entirely.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 20:21 zuletzt editiert vonAs long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver
Is this a dealbreaker for people though?
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How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 20:38 zuletzt editiert vonIt feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
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