Your household smart products must respect your privacy – including your air fryer
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People: Oh how cool, I can monitor my chicken nuggets from my couch ~5m away.
This would genuinely be handy for me though. I've got a nine year old, and have similar aged kids over quite regularly. If I'm dealing with the kids, I can't always hear the air fryer finishing. A notification to the phone that's in my pocket would be really helpful.
As you say though, there's always shit tacked on
There are numerous benefits in IoT / smart home and ubiquitous computing. Used in the right ways it can make your life so much better and even save lives. It is just sad to see all the wasted potential, the greediness and straight up noncompliance with basic human rights and needs for simplicity and privacy in its design.
Funny enough, it got me into reading some threads of people reverse engineering air fryer APIs (didn't expect that to ever happen) and it reminded me again of how great and compassionate some people are. Makes the stupid cat and mouse game seem even more stupid when 3 guys in their spare time can rebuild a 5 layer deep authentication stack with some unknown Philips / Xiaomi server that probably needed tens or even hundreds of engineers to build in an obfuscated manner in the first place.
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I only buy cheap shit. And I never, ever, ever ever ever connect anything to the net that doesn't absolutely need to be connected.
If I need an air fryer and the cheap one has smart shit on it. I will never connect that shit to the net. Never. Why the fuck would I? It's an air fryer. Not a laptop.
I completely agree. If it's a household appliance, it better not fucking connect to the internet.
I just recently started getting into smart home products such as smart plugs and stuff and I absolutely make certain that they don't have internet connection and use home assistant to keep the data local.
I will only use Zigbee or Z-Wave devices so that there's no way they can connect to the internet.
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also, in my area most people either use the ISP router, or buy the cheapest ones which is around 50-75 eur which there are plenty, and they are already complaining that it's too expensive
cheapest n100 I see here is 100 eur: https://www.amazon.fr/intel-n100/s?k=intel+n100
I'm not in france.
You can't buy used on Amazon. I said used
The largest majority of people also can't be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else's problem but theirs?
The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.
If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
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largest majority of smarthome shit users don't know or care how computers work. are you willing to legally ban them from buying these garbage? or what is the solution?
and then they need to set it up (wtf, they have issues navigating their phones), and get it maintained (updates)
Again. That's a lack of skill. Why is it my problem?
If they can't be bothered to do 5 minutes of research before buying something, that's on them.
Caveat emptor.
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I will never allow IoT devices into this house unless they can be used offline.
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You can't buy used on Amazon. I said used
The largest majority of people also can't be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else's problem but theirs?
The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.
If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
and this is exactly how being fucked by scammers will become normal
stop with your fucking elitism and start thinking what to do for those whos work/hobby is not in IT, because that's 99.999% of people.
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Again. That's a lack of skill. Why is it my problem?
If they can't be bothered to do 5 minutes of research before buying something, that's on them.
Caveat emptor.
Why is it my problem?
Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.
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Why is it my problem?
Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.
Only if it's made too hard for a new company or more options to emerge.
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If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
and this is exactly how being fucked by scammers will become normal
stop with your fucking elitism and start thinking what to do for those whos work/hobby is not in IT, because that's 99.999% of people.
It's not elitism to say "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
Elitism?
Dude. I am an almost 50 year old, former truck driver with no formal education on any of this shit, and yet, I managed to figure it out.
If you can't, then that's most assuredly a YOU problem.
SURELY you're smarter than a truck driver?
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it is first and foremost a
Hardware issue.
but also who the fuck wants to have a power hungry PC as the router. old PC, so we can probably count with 80 W at the least
but also, how the fuck would a PC help with the skill issue?
Here, let me help.
Less than 20 USD.
Like I said. Not willing to even try to look for something appropriate for your use case.....
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It's not elitism to say "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
Elitism?
Dude. I am an almost 50 year old, former truck driver with no formal education on any of this shit, and yet, I managed to figure it out.
If you can't, then that's most assuredly a YOU problem.
SURELY you're smarter than a truck driver?
It's not about me, but about all the people around me
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It's not about me, but about all the people around me
So punish those of us who do know how to make the cheap stuff work in a way we want, by removing the cheap stuff from the market, because other idiots don't?
Yeah, solid idea.
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Someone please make a Bluetooth equivalent for smart devices. My thermostat doesn't need internet access but standardized wireless control is still a good feature
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So punish those of us who do know how to make the cheap stuff work in a way we want, by removing the cheap stuff from the market, because other idiots don't?
Yeah, solid idea.
where did I recommend that?
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where did I recommend that?
It is a natural consequence of tighter regulations.
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I will never allow IoT devices into this house unless they can be used offline.
I bought a kettle with some WiFi features, but never planned to put it on my network as it works without it. Or was supposed to, at least. The thermostat was erratic and it needed a firmware update to fix it, only installable via this WiFi-connection. I set up a temporary VLAN just for the update, and disabled the VLAN right after. Then I took a shower.
I find it odd that one of its core features worked so poorly out of the box. And it's not like it was a way to trick me into connecting it either, as I first got a replacement part because they didn't know what the issue was.
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Someone please make a Bluetooth equivalent for smart devices. My thermostat doesn't need internet access but standardized wireless control is still a good feature
Zigbee or z-wave for example?
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I will never allow IoT devices into this house unless they can be used offline.
I know everyone points out the problems with Nest, Ring, and various talking/listening/spying agents. For me, one of the worst offenders was a garage door motor that came with WiFi capability. Damn thing has the ability to just open up a door on my house on command. There's no way am I putting that online.
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P2P + IoT could be great for safety and privacy. We should just remove the middle men (datacentres, servers) so that data travels between the devices you own, and not via some data vampire trying to get in the way.
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It is a natural consequence of tighter regulations.
to me that sounds like arguing that banning behavioral advertising would result in all monetarily free social platforms stopping to exist
chinese tech was cheap even before datamining and IoT was a thing. "banning" datamining wouldn't make chinese tech expensive
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