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AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so weak, the race may already be over

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  • I really don't understand this perspective. I truly don't.

    You see a new technology with flaws and just assume that those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    Like. Do you honestly think this is the one technology that researchers are just going to say "it's fine as-is, let's just stop improving it"?

    You don't understand the first thing about how it works but people like you are SO certain that the way it is now is how it will always be, and that because there are flaws developing it further is pointless.

    I just don't get it.

    You see a new technology with flaws and just assume that those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    Say you start with a prototype for a perpetual-motion machine. Then those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    It is intrinsic in some technologies tthat they're a dead end. That doesn't mean all of them are, but some are just worthless crap and throwing more good money after bad isn't going to change that.

  • I've actually worked professionally in the field for a couple of years since it was interesting to me originally. I've built RAG architecture backends for self hosted FOSS LLMs, i've fine tuned LLMs with new data, And I've even took the opposite approach where I embraced the hallucinations as I thought it could be used for more creative tasks. (I think this area still warrants research). I also enjoy TTS and STT use cases and have FOSS models for those on most of my devices.

    I'll admit that the term AI is extremly vauge. It's like saying you study medicine, it's a big field. But I keep coming to the conclusion that LLMs and predictive generative models in general simply do not work for the use cases that it's being marketed for to consumers, CEOs, and Governments alike.

    This " AI race" happened because Deepseek was able to create a model that was more or less equivalent to OpenAI and Anthropic models. It should have been seen as a race between proprietary and open source since deep seek is one of the more open models at that performance level. But it became this weird nationalist talking point on both countries instead.

    There are a lot of things the US is actually in a race with China in. Many of which are things that would have immediate impact. Like renewable energy, international respect, healthcare advances, military sufficiency, human rights, food supplies, and afordible housing, just to name a few.

    The promise of AI is that it can somehow help in the above categories eventually, and that's cool. But we don't need AI to make improvements to them right now.

    I think AI is a giant distraction, while the the talk of nationalistic races is just being used for investor buy in.

    the the talk of nationalistic races is just being used for investor buy in

    Even more, it's being used to milk the taxpayers for more subisidies that get translated (in a very lossy way) into more executive bonuses.

  • Have you considered that if the worlds two superpowers are dead certain on this being an important area that they are willing to throw coutless billions of investment into, that they might know more than you do?

    No. I don't think that either Trump's idiots, nor the CCP, know more than I do.

  • Turns out stubborn contrarianism and anti-science bias are not viable philosophical foundations for progress; what a surprise.

    But knowing what's real and what's bullshit is an absolutely essential prerequisite for progress.

  • Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real. You don't need to believe any propaganda, just travel and observe.

    The asterisks are not about their usecase but political.

    Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real.

    And if you ignore the theory of comparative advantage, not only is it real, but it also matters. Otherwise, not.

    I also run a consistent payment deficit with my barber. Should that be corrected?

  • This is the dawn of the new Chinese century. I have no doubt in 20 more years China will be in an even stronger position as the USA continues to decline.

    We, the USA, could do all the stuff that would make us competitive. That would require more socialism, more taxing of billionaires, more spending in green energy, education, transportation, healthcare becoming affordable and an actual human right for all in our borders, a real plan to transition off fossil fuels and shore up our domestic energy production and electric grid.

    Idk more than that of course but that's the elevator pitch.

    We won't do it though because corrupt capitalism and the oligarchy.

    Maybe we will if at some point enough of us are struggling but we're pretty fat and have plenty of entertainment to distract us even if we are being fucked. So ... Yeah ... Desperately hoping I'm wrong about most of my predictions, devastated as I keep seeing them come true.

    This is the dawn of the new Chinese century.

    Betting on a totalitarian kleptocracy saving the world is as unwise as betting in the 1980s that already overworked Japanese wage slaves could be overworked even further.

  • This is the dawn of the new Chinese century.

    Betting on a totalitarian kleptocracy saving the world is as unwise as betting in the 1980s that already overworked Japanese wage slaves could be overworked even further.

    I didn't say they were going to save the world, no more than the USA did or any nation state turned empire.

    I do think China will eclipse America when it comes to being in a position of strong global leadership and the hegemonic power on the world stage. The USA seems to be shirking our duties, reshaping and destroying our society's moral fabric, racing towards worse and worse education results and hellbent on making sure our healthcare is broken and our people are fat and dumb.

    It's not a winning recipe, even with a military that can dominate.

    Every country has its problems and its demons, China is no different and certainly their problems are complex and grand. As far as greater or lesser evils - I'd put the USA and China about on par for all the fucked up stuff we have done the past hundred years and keep doing now.

    I'd love to at least visit China sometime - honestly there's so much fascinating history and getting to see a different approach to community building and infrastructure planning would be neat.

  • But knowing what's real and what's bullshit is an absolutely essential prerequisite for progress.

    Exactly my point, I wouldn't trust progress to the country that elected a mentally challenged pedophile twice.

  • Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly

    That's a rule of thumb that assumes a lot of things about elderly people's need for care, how much that's funded by the young, productivity in how that care is provided, and a huge number of other variables.

    Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage.

    The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed. So I dispute that "obviously."

    The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed.

    Your opinion runs counter to every single dataset to ever exist.

  • Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real.

    And if you ignore the theory of comparative advantage, not only is it real, but it also matters. Otherwise, not.

    I also run a consistent payment deficit with my barber. Should that be corrected?

    No need to discuss defecit. That's a totally unrelated item. My statement was purely about their infra and manufacturing lead in multiple sectors.

    Imagine you are a top student and some other student suddenly gets better marks than you in multiple subjects. You do need to introspect and see where you can improve (Or if you even care about those subjects).

    If you don't care about infra and manufacturing, no need to sweat

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    The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit
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    Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions. Then you don't believe content creators should have any control over their own works? The "proper conditions" are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers. Doing a GET request doesn’t do that. Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt. What kind of problems that would be? Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way? Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users? You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”. Not at all. LLMs are not users. It’s self-hosted and free. If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product. How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at a@b.com” That's a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it. That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same. Perplexity seems to be troubled by it. What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths. If selling text can't work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it? Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process. LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it's worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don't need to access it. Periodt. The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.
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    There are some super interesting videos of a physicist / chemist going over the basics of the chemistry involved and implications of it, I can send those if you’re interested Interested.
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    It's not at all bad for an initial proof of concept.
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    Worse. Office.com now takes me to m365.cloud.microsoft which as of today now takes me to a fucking Copilot chat window. Ofc no way to disable it because gee why would anyone want to do that?
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    I've been thinking about this for a bit. Gods aren't real, but they're really fictional. As an informational entity, they fulfil a similar social function to a chatbot: they are a nonphysical pseudoperson that can provide (para)socialization & advice. One difference is the hardware: gods are self-organising structure that arise from human social spheres, whereas LLMs are burned top-down into silicon. Another is that an LLM chatbot's advice is much more likely to be empirically useful... In a very real sense, LLMs have just automated divinity. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg on the social effects, and nobody's prepared for it. The models may of course aware of this, and be making the same calculations. Or, they will be.