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AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so weak, the race may already be over

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  • Capitalism doesn't solve for society, it solves for capital.

    There is no profit in making the world a better place.

    That depends on the incentives. Society can change those to some extent.

  • Ai isn't an arrow, you can't loose it.

    You can't even goose it.

    And you're too young to choose it.

  • The telling lies part is not good, but I think the dream of AI is a servant (or slave) with unlimited potential that can solve, until now, unsolvable problems. Cure for cancer, sure that will be $10k a pill. Eternal life? Sure that will be 1 million dollars a years for all eternity. Robot army to protect you? Top of the list.
    Question I have is, is the AI we see the same AI the teck bros see? Is there a public interface that is made to appear a little buffoonish so the masses can laugh it off, but the real interface is much much better?

    I think the dream of AI is a servant (or slave) with unlimited potential that can solve, until now, unsolvable problems

    Yeah, that's the hype. The reality is that with current LLM tech, it's a slightly more capable text-prediction algorithm.

  • I really don't understand this perspective. I truly don't.

    You see a new technology with flaws and just assume that those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    Like. Do you honestly think this is the one technology that researchers are just going to say "it's fine as-is, let's just stop improving it"?

    You don't understand the first thing about how it works but people like you are SO certain that the way it is now is how it will always be, and that because there are flaws developing it further is pointless.

    I just don't get it.

    You see a new technology with flaws and just assume that those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    Say you start with a prototype for a perpetual-motion machine. Then those flaws will always be there and the technology will never progress.

    It is intrinsic in some technologies tthat they're a dead end. That doesn't mean all of them are, but some are just worthless crap and throwing more good money after bad isn't going to change that.

  • I've actually worked professionally in the field for a couple of years since it was interesting to me originally. I've built RAG architecture backends for self hosted FOSS LLMs, i've fine tuned LLMs with new data, And I've even took the opposite approach where I embraced the hallucinations as I thought it could be used for more creative tasks. (I think this area still warrants research). I also enjoy TTS and STT use cases and have FOSS models for those on most of my devices.

    I'll admit that the term AI is extremly vauge. It's like saying you study medicine, it's a big field. But I keep coming to the conclusion that LLMs and predictive generative models in general simply do not work for the use cases that it's being marketed for to consumers, CEOs, and Governments alike.

    This " AI race" happened because Deepseek was able to create a model that was more or less equivalent to OpenAI and Anthropic models. It should have been seen as a race between proprietary and open source since deep seek is one of the more open models at that performance level. But it became this weird nationalist talking point on both countries instead.

    There are a lot of things the US is actually in a race with China in. Many of which are things that would have immediate impact. Like renewable energy, international respect, healthcare advances, military sufficiency, human rights, food supplies, and afordible housing, just to name a few.

    The promise of AI is that it can somehow help in the above categories eventually, and that's cool. But we don't need AI to make improvements to them right now.

    I think AI is a giant distraction, while the the talk of nationalistic races is just being used for investor buy in.

    the the talk of nationalistic races is just being used for investor buy in

    Even more, it's being used to milk the taxpayers for more subisidies that get translated (in a very lossy way) into more executive bonuses.

  • Have you considered that if the worlds two superpowers are dead certain on this being an important area that they are willing to throw coutless billions of investment into, that they might know more than you do?

    No. I don't think that either Trump's idiots, nor the CCP, know more than I do.

  • Turns out stubborn contrarianism and anti-science bias are not viable philosophical foundations for progress; what a surprise.

    But knowing what's real and what's bullshit is an absolutely essential prerequisite for progress.

  • Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real. You don't need to believe any propaganda, just travel and observe.

    The asterisks are not about their usecase but political.

    Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real.

    And if you ignore the theory of comparative advantage, not only is it real, but it also matters. Otherwise, not.

    I also run a consistent payment deficit with my barber. Should that be corrected?

  • This is the dawn of the new Chinese century. I have no doubt in 20 more years China will be in an even stronger position as the USA continues to decline.

    We, the USA, could do all the stuff that would make us competitive. That would require more socialism, more taxing of billionaires, more spending in green energy, education, transportation, healthcare becoming affordable and an actual human right for all in our borders, a real plan to transition off fossil fuels and shore up our domestic energy production and electric grid.

    Idk more than that of course but that's the elevator pitch.

    We won't do it though because corrupt capitalism and the oligarchy.

    Maybe we will if at some point enough of us are struggling but we're pretty fat and have plenty of entertainment to distract us even if we are being fucked. So ... Yeah ... Desperately hoping I'm wrong about most of my predictions, devastated as I keep seeing them come true.

    This is the dawn of the new Chinese century.

    Betting on a totalitarian kleptocracy saving the world is as unwise as betting in the 1980s that already overworked Japanese wage slaves could be overworked even further.

  • This is the dawn of the new Chinese century.

    Betting on a totalitarian kleptocracy saving the world is as unwise as betting in the 1980s that already overworked Japanese wage slaves could be overworked even further.

    I didn't say they were going to save the world, no more than the USA did or any nation state turned empire.

    I do think China will eclipse America when it comes to being in a position of strong global leadership and the hegemonic power on the world stage. The USA seems to be shirking our duties, reshaping and destroying our society's moral fabric, racing towards worse and worse education results and hellbent on making sure our healthcare is broken and our people are fat and dumb.

    It's not a winning recipe, even with a military that can dominate.

    Every country has its problems and its demons, China is no different and certainly their problems are complex and grand. As far as greater or lesser evils - I'd put the USA and China about on par for all the fucked up stuff we have done the past hundred years and keep doing now.

    I'd love to at least visit China sometime - honestly there's so much fascinating history and getting to see a different approach to community building and infrastructure planning would be neat.

  • But knowing what's real and what's bullshit is an absolutely essential prerequisite for progress.

    Exactly my point, I wouldn't trust progress to the country that elected a mentally challenged pedophile twice.

  • Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly

    That's a rule of thumb that assumes a lot of things about elderly people's need for care, how much that's funded by the young, productivity in how that care is provided, and a huge number of other variables.

    Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage.

    The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed. So I dispute that "obviously."

    The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed.

    Your opinion runs counter to every single dataset to ever exist.

  • Chinese infrastructure and manufacturing lead is real.

    And if you ignore the theory of comparative advantage, not only is it real, but it also matters. Otherwise, not.

    I also run a consistent payment deficit with my barber. Should that be corrected?

    No need to discuss defecit. That's a totally unrelated item. My statement was purely about their infra and manufacturing lead in multiple sectors.

    Imagine you are a top student and some other student suddenly gets better marks than you in multiple subjects. You do need to introspect and see where you can improve (Or if you even care about those subjects).

    If you don't care about infra and manufacturing, no need to sweat

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    bizarre, dismal What's bizarre and dismal is that someone is so starved for dopamine and attention from corporations that this is how they perceive what life looks like when you are not being targetted. This is my normal view and it is far better.
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    I'd go to one. I went to Qatar and tried to find out if they did LPG tours. They don't. well at least not easily.
  • I Counted All of the Yurts in Mongolia Using Machine Learning

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    I'd say, when there's a policy and its goals aren't reached, that's a policy failure. If people don't like the policy, that's an issue but it's a separate issue. It doesn't seem likely that people prefer living in tents, though. But to be fair, the government may be doing the best it can. It's ranked "Flawed Democracy" by The Economist Democracy Index. That's really good, I'd say, considering the circumstances. They are placed slightly ahead of Argentina and Hungary. OP has this to say: Due to the large number of people moving to urban locations, it has been difficult for the government to build the infrastructure needed for them. The informal settlements that grew from this difficulty are now known as ger districts. There have been many efforts to formalize and develop these areas. The Law on Allocation of Land to Mongolian Citizens for Ownership, passed in 2002, allowed for existing ger district residents to formalize the land they settled, and allowed for others to receive land from the government into the future. Along with the privatization of land, the Mongolian government has been pushing for the development of ger districts into areas with housing blocks connected to utilities. The plan for this was published in 2014 as Ulaanbaatar 2020 Master Plan and Development Approaches for 2030. Although progress has been slow (Choi and Enkhbat 7), they have been making progress in building housing blocks in ger distrcts. Residents of ger districts sell or exchange their plots to developers who then build housing blocks on them. Often this is in exchange for an apartment in the building, and often the value of the apartment is less than the land they originally had (Choi and Enkhbat 15). Based on what I’ve read about the ger districts, they have been around since at least the 1970s, and progress on developing them has been slow. When ineffective policy results in a large chunk of the populace generationally living in yurts on the outskirts of urban areas, it’s clear that there is failure. Choi, Mack Joong, and Urandulguun Enkhbat. “Distributional Effects of Ger Area Redevelopment in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia.” International Journal of Urban Sciences, vol. 24, no. 1, Jan. 2020, pp. 50–68. DOI.org (Crossref), https://doi.org/10.1080/12265934.2019.1571433.
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