Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks
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Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't it trivial to take it out of their bullshit dangerous "FSD" mode and take control? How does a car go approximately 40-50 feet down the tracks without the driver noticing and stopping it?
On some railroad crossings you might only need to go off the crossing to get stuck in the tracks and unable to back out. Trying to get out is another 30-40 feet.
Being caught off guard when the car isn't supposed to do that is how to get stuck in the first place. Yeah, terrible driver trusting shit technology.
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Honey, are those train tracks? .... Yes looks like we'll turn left on to the tracks for 1/2 a mile. Its a detour.
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How so? The human in the car is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.
If you are monkeying with the car right before it crashes... wouldn't that raise suspicion?
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It's been well documented. It lets them say in their statistics that the owner was in control of the car during the crash
That's my whole point
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Driver failed to control their car and avoid a collision.
FTFY.
I'm sure the car did actually take the action. But there are TONS of unavoidable warnings and reminders to the driver to supervise and take control when FSD goes wrong.
Which you can do by such super-technical means as "hitting the brake" or "steering the other way" or "flipping the right stalk up". Rocket science, I know.
Driver's fault. Bad technology, yes. Worse driver.
I'd have bailed out and waited for the insurance check. Then got a different car.
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Driver failed to control their car and avoid a collision.
FTFY.
I'm sure the car did actually take the action. But there are TONS of unavoidable warnings and reminders to the driver to supervise and take control when FSD goes wrong.
Which you can do by such super-technical means as "hitting the brake" or "steering the other way" or "flipping the right stalk up". Rocket science, I know.
Driver's fault. Bad technology, yes. Worse driver.
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This post did not contain any content.@Davriellelouna I am sure it was all monitored in real time and a revised algorithm will be included in a future update.
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I'd have bailed out and waited for the insurance check. Then got a different car.
I wouldn't have had time between pumping iron and getting head, myself.
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Yes.
You hit the brake.
Ideally you hit the brakes before buyin the tesla.
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Also, the robotaxi has been live for all of a day and there's already footage of it driving on the wrong side of the road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-h0YXtF0c&t=420s
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Driver failed to control their car and avoid a collision.
FTFY.
I'm sure the car did actually take the action. But there are TONS of unavoidable warnings and reminders to the driver to supervise and take control when FSD goes wrong.
Which you can do by such super-technical means as "hitting the brake" or "steering the other way" or "flipping the right stalk up". Rocket science, I know.
Driver's fault. Bad technology, yes. Worse driver.
I just don't know how they're getting away with calling it 'full self driving' if it's not fully self driving.
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You all don't seem to understand, this is just the cost of progress!
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Hope no one was hurt,
regardless whether they're stupid, distracted or whatever!
If we can't build fail-saves into cars, what are our chances for real AI? -
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I am all in on testing these devices and improving waay before they recommend fully giving into AI
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Where's the video?
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Honey, are those train tracks? .... Yes looks like we'll turn left on to the tracks for 1/2 a mile. Its a detour.
Yeaaaaah, I mean fuck Tesla for a variety of reasons, but right here we're looking at a car that drove itself onto a set of train tracks, continued down the train tracks, and the people inside did...nothing? Like, they grabbed their shit and got out when it got stuck. The car certainly should not have done this, but this isn't really a Tesla problem. It'll definitely be interesting when robotaxis follow suit though.
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I just don't know how they're getting away with calling it 'full self driving' if it's not fully self driving.
I didn't keep track of how that lawsuit turned out.
That said, it is labeled "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on everything in the car.
Supervised as in you have to be ready to stop this kind of thing. That's what the supervision is.
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Hope no one was hurt,
regardless whether they're stupid, distracted or whatever!
If we can't build fail-saves into cars, what are our chances for real AI?Okay I don't want to directly disagree with you I just want to add a thought experiment:
If it is a fundamental truth of the universe, a human can literally not program a computer to be smarter than a human (because of some Neil deGrasse Tyson-esq interpretation of entropy), then no matter what AI's will crash cars as often as real people.
And the question of who is responsible for the AI's actions will always be the person because people can take responsibility and AI's are just machine-tools. This basically means that there is a ceiling to how autonomous self-driving cars will ever be (because someone will have to sit at the controls and be ready to take over) and I think that is a good thing.
Honestly I'm in this camp that computers can never truly be "smarter" than a person in all respects. Maybe you can max out an ai's self-driving stats but then you'll have no points left over for morality, or you can balance the two out and it might just get into less morally challenging accidents more often ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There are lots of ways to look at this
