Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks
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How so? The human in the car is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.
This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it's primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It's not the driver that's in control most of the time. It's the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault
Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver's input. However, level three conditional driving and higher should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)
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If only there was a way to avoid the place where trains drive.
I checked first. They didn't make a turn into a crossing. It turned onto the tracks. Jalopnik says there's no official statement that it was actually driving under FSD(elusion) but if it was strictly under human driving (or FSD turned itself off after driving off) I guarantee Tesla will invade privacy and slander the driver by next day for the sake of court of public opinion
They didn't make a turn into a crossing. It turned onto the tracks.
Just to be clear for others, it did so at a crossing. That's still obviously not what it should have done and it's no defence of the self-driving feature, but I read your comment as suggesting it had found its way onto train tracks by some other route.
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Since the story has 3 separate incidents where "the driver let their Tesla turn left onto some railroad tracks" I'm going to posit:
Teslas on self-drive mode will turn left onto railroad tracks unless forcibly restrained.
Prove me wrong, Tesla
Map data obtained and converted from other formats often ends up accidentally condensing labeling categories. One result is train tracks being categorized as generic roads instead of retaining their specific sub-heading. Another, unrelated to this, but common for people that play geo games is when forests and water areas end up being tagged as the wrong specific types.
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How the fuck do you let any level 2 system go 40 to 50 fucking feet down the railroad tracks.
We're they asleep?
I'm not sure I'd be able to sleep through driving on the railroad tracks. I'm going to guess this person was simply incredibly fucking stupid, and thought the car would figure it out, instead of doing the bare fucking minimum of driving their goddamn 2 ton heavy death machine themself.
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Modern cars (in the US) are required to have an OBD-II Port for On-Board Diagnostics. I always assumed most cars these days were just sending some or all of the real-time OBD data to the manufacturer. GM definitely has been.
Dude, in today's world we're lucky if they stop at the manufacturer. I know of a few insurances that have contracts through major dealers and they just automatically get the data that's registered via the cars systems. That way they can make better decisions regarding people's car insurance.
Nowadays it's a red flag if you join a car insurance and they don't offer to give you a discount if you put something like drive pass on which logs you're driving because it probably means that your car is already getting that data to them.
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I'm not sure I'd be able to sleep through driving on the railroad tracks. I'm going to guess this person was simply incredibly fucking stupid, and thought the car would figure it out, instead of doing the bare fucking minimum of driving their goddamn 2 ton heavy death machine themself.
LOL right? Like deciding to see what the car will do ON RAILWAY TRACKS is absolutely fucking bonkers.
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Map data obtained and converted from other formats often ends up accidentally condensing labeling categories. One result is train tracks being categorized as generic roads instead of retaining their specific sub-heading. Another, unrelated to this, but common for people that play geo games is when forests and water areas end up being tagged as the wrong specific types.
Aha. But that sounds correctable.... So not having any people assigned to checking on railroads and making sure the system recognizes them as railroads would be due to miserliness on the part of Tesla then.... And might also say something about why some Teslas have been known to drive into bodies of water (or children, but that's probably a different instance of miserliness)
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That, and little kids... and motorcycles... and school busses
Don't forget "styrofoam walls painted to look like tunnels". Fucking looney tunes.
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How the fuck do you let any level 2 system go 40 to 50 fucking feet down the railroad tracks.
We're they asleep?
I was gonna say it’s not so much the fact that the car was hit by a train, but that it turned on to the tracks …but 40 or 50 feet?
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It simply saw a superior technology and decided to attack.
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That actually sounds like a reasonable response.
If you give the driver enough time to act, which tesla doesn't. They turn it off a second before impact and then claim it wasn't in self-driving mode.
Not even a second, it's sometimes less than 250-300ms. If I wasn't already anticipating it to fail and disengage as it went though the 2-lane wide turn I would have gone straight into oncoming traffic
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That … tracks
Full stream ahead with the train puns
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Damn. I hope the train is ok
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I was gonna say it’s not so much the fact that the car was hit by a train, but that it turned on to the tracks …but 40 or 50 feet?
Cop: WTF happened here?
Driver: It drove itself onto the tracks
Cop: Okay, but what about the other 49 feet of the 50 feet it's on the tracks?
Driver: ...
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How the fuck do you let any level 2 system go 40 to 50 fucking feet down the railroad tracks.
We're they asleep?
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Maybe if they use LIDAR like they should have instead of just cameras it wouldn’t be such an issue, but they’re determined to minimize costs and maximize profits at the expense of consumers as are all publicly traded companies
You don't understand. Musk likes how they look, we can't disturb that for "safety"!
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And who is going to willingly get into a Tesla Taxi?!?!
I won't get in one because I'm not giving a single dollar of business to Musk. He can go jump up his own asshole.
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You don't understand. Musk likes how they look, we can't disturb that for "safety"!
Or it no longer has anything to do with making a vehicle look cool.
The Lucid Air is equipped with up to 32 on-board sensors, including long range Lidar radar, short-range radar, surround view monitoring cameras.
It's because musk treats all his businesses like startups, and no matter how successful they get, in the interest of "trimming the fat" he'd like to keep people buying inferior products at a higher profit margin than thinking about better investment and long term growth, just like many companies.
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Meanwhile my sister's fiancee drank the whole pitcher and is back working there totally believing Elon is some super genius and that the cars are capable of full self-driving. (I really have to bite my tongue when listening to him)
My camry can self-drive too, same outcome. (just off a cliff, rather than in front of a train)
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LOL wasn't expecting that.
