This new 40TB hard drive from Seagate is just the beginning—50TB is coming fast!
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You'd still put the 40TB drives in a raid? But eventually you'll be limited by the number of bays, so larger size is better.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 13:49 zuletzt editiert vonOf course, because you don't want to lose the data if one of the drives dies. And backing up that much data is painful.
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Same here. Been burned by SSD's too though - a Samsung Evo Pro drive crapped out on me just months after buying it. Was under warranty and replaced at no cost, but I still lost all my data and config/settings.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 13:51 zuletzt editiert vonAny disk can and will fail at some point in time. Backup is your best friend. Some sort of disk redundancy is your second best friend.
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Cost. The speed of flash storage is an inherent quality and not something manufacturers are selecting for typically. I assure you if they knew how to make some sort of Super MLC they absolutely would.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:05 zuletzt editiert vonIt's not inherent in terms of "more store=more fast".
You could absolutely take older, more established production nodes to produce higher quality, longer lasting flash storage. The limitation hardly ever is space, but heat. So putting that kind of flash storage, with intentionally slowed down controllers, into regular 2.5 or even 3.5" form factors should be possible.
Cost could be an issue because the market isn't seen as very large.
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They're also ignoring how many times this conversation has been had...
We never stopped raid at any other increase in drive density, there's no reason to pick this as the time to stop.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:10 zuletzt editiert vonRaid 5 is becoming less viable due to the increasing rebuild times, necessitating raid 1 instead. But new drives have better iops too so maybe not as severe as predicted.
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I still wonder, what's stopping vendors from producing "chonk store" devices. Slow, but reliable bulk storage SSDs.
Just in terms of physical space, you could easily fit 200 micro SD cards in a 2.5" drive, have everything replicated five times and end up with a reasonably reliable device (extremely simplified, I know).
I just want something for luke-warm storage that didn't require a datacenter and/or 500W continuous power draw.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:23 zuletzt editiert vonthey make bulk storage ssds with QLC for enterprise use.
The reason why they're not used for consumer use cases yet is because raw nand chips are still more expensive than hard drives. People dont want to pay $3k for a 50tb SSD if they can buy a $500 50tb hdd and they don't need the speed.
For what it's worth, 8tb TLC pcie3 U.2 SSDs are only $400 used on ebay these days which is a pretty good option if you're trying to move away from noisy slow hdds. 4 of those in raid 5 plus a diy nas would get you 24tb of formatted super fast nextcloud/immich storage for ~$2k.
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Gold is the enterprise ones. Black is enthusiast, blue is desktop, red is NAS, purple is NVR, green is external. Green you almost certainly don't want (they do their own power management), red is likely to be SMR. But otherwise they're not too different. If you saw a lot of blues failing, it's probably because the systems you supported used blue almost exclusively.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:26 zuletzt editiert vonI thought green was "eco." At least the higher-end external ones tend to be red drives, which is famously why people shuck them to use internally because they're often cheaper than just buying a red bare drive directly, for some reason.
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So all the other hard drives will be cheaper now, right? Right?
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:30 zuletzt editiert von toastmeister@lemmy.ca 6. Feb. 2025, 22:59A 2tb SSD can now be bought for 100$ at least.
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I deal with large data chunks and 40TB drives are an interesting idea.... until you consider one failing
raids and arrays for these large data sets still makes more sense then all the eggs in smaller baskets
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:32 zuletzt editiert vonThe main issue I see is that the gulf between capacity and transfer speed is now so vast with mechanical drives that restoring the array after drive failure and replacement is unreasonably long. I feel like you'd need at least two parity drives, not just one, because letting the array be in a degraded state for multiple days while waiting for the data to finish copying back over would be an unacceptable risk.
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I thought green was "eco." At least the higher-end external ones tend to be red drives, which is famously why people shuck them to use internally because they're often cheaper than just buying a red bare drive directly, for some reason.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:36 zuletzt editiert vonYou might be right. Although I think it's been pretty hit or miss with which drives they use in those enclosures.
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A 2tb SSD can now be bought for 100$ at least.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:39 zuletzt editiert vonThis is good to know. I might need to upgrade the storage for my Monero node.
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This is good to know. I might need to upgrade the storage for my Monero node.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:53 zuletzt editiert vonJust wondering, why do you run a monero node?
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Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.
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Just wondering, why do you run a monero node?
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:56 zuletzt editiert vonYou should ideally run your own node when using Monero
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The main issue I see is that the gulf between capacity and transfer speed is now so vast with mechanical drives that restoring the array after drive failure and replacement is unreasonably long. I feel like you'd need at least two parity drives, not just one, because letting the array be in a degraded state for multiple days while waiting for the data to finish copying back over would be an unacceptable risk.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 14:58 zuletzt editiert vonYes this and also scrubs and smart tests. I have 6 14TB spinning drives and a long smart test takes roughly a week, so running 2 at a time takes close to a month to do all 6 and then it all starts over again, so for half to 75% of the time, 2 of my drives are doing smart tests. Then there's scrubs which I do monthly. I would consider larger drives if it didn't mean that my smart/scrub schedule would take more than a month. Rebuilds aren't too bad, and I have double redundancy for extra peace of mind but I also wouldn't want that taking much longer either
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Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:00 zuletzt editiert vonOptimizations are relics of the past!
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Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:01 zuletzt editiert vonOh, they'll do compression alright, they'll ship every asset in a dozen resolutions with different lossy compression algos so they don't need to spend dev time actually handling model and texture downscaling properly. And games will still run like crap because reasons.
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Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:04 zuletzt editiert von fordbeeblebrox@lemmy.world 6. März 2025, 03:57Black ops 6 just demanded another 45 GB for an update on my PS5, when the game is already 200 GB. AAA devs are making me look more into small indie games that don’t eat the whole hard drive to spend my money on, great job folks.
E) meant to say instead of buying a bigger hard drive I’ll support a small dev instead.
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I bought my first HDD second hand. It was advertised as 40MB. But it was 120MB. How happy was young me?
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:10 zuletzt editiert vonUpgrading from 20MB to 40MB was so fucking boss.
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The main issue I see is that the gulf between capacity and transfer speed is now so vast with mechanical drives that restoring the array after drive failure and replacement is unreasonably long. I feel like you'd need at least two parity drives, not just one, because letting the array be in a degraded state for multiple days while waiting for the data to finish copying back over would be an unacceptable risk.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:19 zuletzt editiert vonI upgraded my 7 year old 4tb drives with 14tb drives (both setups raid1). A week later, one of the 14tb drives failed. It was a tense time waiting for a new drive and the 24 hours or so for resilvering. No issues since, but boy was that an experience. I've since added some automated backup processes.
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Black ops 6 just demanded another 45 GB for an update on my PS5, when the game is already 200 GB. AAA devs are making me look more into small indie games that don’t eat the whole hard drive to spend my money on, great job folks.
E) meant to say instead of buying a bigger hard drive I’ll support a small dev instead.
schrieb am 2. Juni 2025, 15:27 zuletzt editiert vonI arrived at that point a few years ago. You're in for a world of discovery. As an fps fan myself I highly recommend Ultrakill. There's a demo so you don't have to commit.
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