The worst part is that once again, proton is trying to convince its users that it's more secure than it really is. You have to wonder what else they are lying or deceiving about.

is not typically a good way to sell things.

Ah yes, telling the truth is not good for sales, therefore deception is ok.

Yeah, it seems we won't agree here. Have a nice day.

End to end encryption of a interaction with a chat-bot would mean the company doesn't decrypt your messages to it, operates on the encrypted text, gets an encrypted response which only you can decrypt and sends it to you. You then decrypt the response.

So yes. It would require operating on encrypted data.

You said yourself that it wasn't actually wrong or deceptive or inaccurate, but rather "confusing."

read your own words.

We need to call for an audit on Protons policy and see if they actually do what they say, that way we can know for almost certain that everything is good as they say

And Gmail can retrieve your mails from proton using IMAP. It’s even in their own (proton’s) documentation.

I don’t think it can. Where in the documentation did you find that?

An online search brought me here : https://www.getmailbird.com/setup/en/access-protonmail-com-via-imap-smtp which did looks like a documentation page about how to do exactly that. Obviously, it has nothing to do with them, and the actual details makes no sense the lower you get in the page. I've been had

They still can see most mails transit from their service in plaintext in both directions, though, which remain a privacy issue, but it has more to do with email protocols than anything.

I mean we know from documented events that Proton doesn’t store you emails in plain text because there have been Swiss orders to turn over information which they have to comply with and they’ve never turned in emails, because they can’t.

Do you have a source for that? I know they handed over an IP address, but I haven't heard about them handing over an email.

I'm not impressed by Proton at all tbh. There are plenty of reasons to dislike them. Here is a nice article about it:

https://マリウス.com/i-do-not-recommend-proton-mail/

Disclaimer: always do your own research as well.

Okay but are any AI chatbots really open source? Isn't half the headache with LLMs the fact that there comes a point where it's basically impossible for even the authors to decode the tangled madness of their machine learning?

No chance anyone’s clicking on that link

Are you talking about the “xn—“ domain name? Because FYI that’s just a punycode domain. It’s pretty commonly used for non-ascii domains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode

The article itself is only available over Tor or I2P anyways though.

Yes lol. Nobody is going to want to open that link.

You still think it's sketchy?

I've explained that it's perfectly normal, that it's just someone who wants to use Unicode in their domain name (in this case because they probably speak a non-ascii based language), and most good web clients should be showing that link as the Unicode characters. Firefox for example shows that as the proper Unicode directly.

It literally is just a way for non-english speakers to have a domain name in their native language.

Proton is shifting as mainstream company. AI craps, false misleading advertising.

Yeah but you don't open source the LLM, you open source the training code and the weights and the specs/architecture

Okay but are any AI chatbots really open source? Isn't half the headache with LLMs the fact that there comes a point where it's basically impossible for even the authors to decode the tangled madness of their machine learning?

No chance anyone’s clicking on that link