is not typically a good way to sell things.

Ah yes, telling the truth is not good for sales, therefore deception is ok.

Yeah, it seems we won't agree here. Have a nice day.

see, i'm saying this. that guy ain't to be trusted.

MullChad is the best for anyone who doesn't require port forwarding

Retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) is a technique that enables large language models (LLMs) to retrieve and incorporate new information. With RAG, LLMs do not respond to user queries until they refer to a specified set of documents. These documents supplement information from the LLM's pre-existing training data. This allows LLMs to use domain-specific and/or updated information that is not available in the training data. For example, this helps LLM-based chatbots access internal company data or generate responses based on authoritative sources.

From Retrieval-augmented generation.

Specifically here, I imagine the idea is to talk to the chatbot about what's in your documents.

homomorphic encryption?

not there yet, of course, but it is conceptually possible

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There's some good discussion about the security in the comments, so I'm just going to say that Lumo's Android app required the Play Store and GPlay Services. I uninstalled.

It's also quite censored. I gave Proton's cute chatbot a chance, but I'm not impressed.

Since there's already good discussion in the comments about this, I'm just going to add that Lumo's Android app requires the Play Store and GPlay Services. I uninstalled.

From my testing on the website, it's also very censored. I gave Proton's cute private chatbot a chance, but I'm not impressed.

Well, I've been had. There is no IMAP support indeed, during my quick lookup around it, I ended up on a website that does look a lot like a real documentation that claim it does. My bad.

The point about sending and receiving messages in cleartext stands, as SMTP works that way, but at rest it is possible they're keeping them encrypted.

I'll just repost the same message here, for completion sake.

Well, I've been had. There is no IMAP support indeed, during my quick lookup around it, I ended up on a website that does look a lot like a real documentation that claim it does. My bad.

The point about sending and receiving messages in cleartext stands, as SMTP works that way, but at rest it is possible they're keeping them encrypted.

And Gmail can retrieve your mails from proton using IMAP. It’s even in their own (proton’s) documentation.

I don’t think it can. Where in the documentation did you find that?

An online search brought me here : https://www.getmailbird.com/setup/en/access-protonmail-com-via-imap-smtp which did looks like a documentation page about how to do exactly that. Obviously, it has nothing to do with them, and the actual details makes no sense the lower you get in the page. I've been had

They still can see most mails transit from their service in plaintext in both directions, though, which remain a privacy issue, but it has more to do with email protocols than anything.

I'm not impressed by Proton at all tbh. There are plenty of reasons to dislike them. Here is a nice article about it:

https://マリウス.com/i-do-not-recommend-proton-mail/

Disclaimer: always do your own research as well.

End to end encryption of a interaction with a chat-bot would mean the company doesn't decrypt your messages to it, operates on the encrypted text, gets an encrypted response which only you can decrypt and sends it to you. You then decrypt the response.

So yes. It would require operating on encrypted data.

as long as certain jobs and tasks can be done easier, and searches can be done faster, its gonna stay. not a fad like nft.
the bubble here is the energy and water consumption part.

For most people, having access to their own encryption keys will cause for data loss.

Most countries have systems in place that you can do proper audits on companies which you can trust. You can audit companies for securities or financial reports which are the most common once, but you can also audit a VPN if they keep logs or not (Pure VPN has done this) and you can audit them if they have access to your encryption keys or not.

We really need to normalise that kind of control to keep companies in check.

We need to call for an audit on Protons policy and see if they actually do what they say, that way we can know for almost certain that everything is good as they say

We really need to audit Proton

You said yourself that it wasn't actually wrong or deceptive or inaccurate, but rather "confusing."

read your own words.

The documentation says it's TLS encrypted to the LLM context window. LLM processes, and the context window output goes back via TLS to you.

As long as the context window is only connected to Proton servers decrypting the TLS tunnel, and the LLM runs on their servers, and much like a VPN, they don't keep logs, then I don't see what the problem actually is here.

I didn't. Being wrong and being deceptive are two different things.

I mean we know from documented events that Proton doesn’t store you emails in plain text because there have been Swiss orders to turn over information which they have to comply with and they’ve never turned in emails, because they can’t.