OpenAI will not disclose GPT-5’s energy use. It could be higher than past models
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So, I can't complain about any part of the remaining 85% if I'm not vegan? That's so fucking stupid. Do you not complain about microplastics because you're guilty of using devices with plastic in them to type your message?
You can, but you also open yourself up to criticism of your hypocrisy.
Right now, your cognitive dissonance is flaring up because you have to simultaneously criticize someone for contributing to a problem while contributing to it yourself.
I'm not even vegan, but I absolutely love watching meat-eaters squirm because it reinforces my notion that the average person is a complete idiot and should not be taken seriously.
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So, I can't complain about any part of the remaining 85% if I'm not vegan? That's so fucking stupid. Do you not complain about microplastics because you're guilty of using devices with plastic in them to type your message?
Yes, I'm a piece of shit for using a phone made by a capitalist corporation and contributes to harming the planet. I don't deny that I live in a horrible society that forces me to be a bad human just to survive.
I also don't call people stupid for telling me my device is bad for the environment. I still eat meat, I'm not a vegan, but I understand and completely agree that it's terrible for the environment. By recognizing it, I can be conscious of my consumption and reduce it.
I also use LLMs conservatively, I use them where they add value and I don't use them frivolously to generate shitty AI slop.
I'm conscious of its dangers and that drives my consumption of it.
But I don't pick and choose. I don't eat animal products three meals a day and bitch about someone using an LLM to edit a file instead of manually working on it for five hours.
Just be consistent is the message they were communicating, not that you shouldn't complain about 85%.
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Not really. It shows that he used scale in the appropriate manner.
I think you're just grasping at straws by saying what sounds nice in your head instead of engaging in a legitimate argument.
I said "scaling" not "scale". "Scaling" refers to how output and expenses of the enterprise behaves as it becomes bigger or smaller. Threeduck seems to think it means "big". And then immediately refers the holocaust for some reason.
Though, the term is broad, hence why I asked them about how they interpret the term.
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I said "scaling" not "scale". "Scaling" refers to how output and expenses of the enterprise behaves as it becomes bigger or smaller. Threeduck seems to think it means "big". And then immediately refers the holocaust for some reason.
Though, the term is broad, hence why I asked them about how they interpret the term.
Yeah, you're the one who's confused about the definition.
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Yes, I'm a piece of shit for using a phone made by a capitalist corporation and contributes to harming the planet. I don't deny that I live in a horrible society that forces me to be a bad human just to survive.
I also don't call people stupid for telling me my device is bad for the environment. I still eat meat, I'm not a vegan, but I understand and completely agree that it's terrible for the environment. By recognizing it, I can be conscious of my consumption and reduce it.
I also use LLMs conservatively, I use them where they add value and I don't use them frivolously to generate shitty AI slop.
I'm conscious of its dangers and that drives my consumption of it.
But I don't pick and choose. I don't eat animal products three meals a day and bitch about someone using an LLM to edit a file instead of manually working on it for five hours.
Just be consistent is the message they were communicating, not that you shouldn't complain about 85%.
Same, I'm very aware that my selfish actions cause harm to the environment and I do try to be conservative about meat, electricity, and water usage. I don't even own a car.
But "I swear to God, if you aren't vegan," which is what OP said, is hardly the same as "keep it consistent." It feels like they're telling us both that our efforts are pointless because we aren't vegan. They could have said, try cutting meat from your diet to help more, or give veganism a thought. It comes off as insufferably arrogant, you know?
I'll end my rant now, haha. Sorry.
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You can, but you also open yourself up to criticism of your hypocrisy.
Right now, your cognitive dissonance is flaring up because you have to simultaneously criticize someone for contributing to a problem while contributing to it yourself.
I'm not even vegan, but I absolutely love watching meat-eaters squirm because it reinforces my notion that the average person is a complete idiot and should not be taken seriously.
I'm very much aware of my hypocrisy, but I do my best in other ways to help.
If people like OP are going to be dismissive of my efforts, then I guess they're free to think that — just like I'm free to think that kind of hate keeping is stupid.
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I only use it if I’m stuck even if the AI code is wrong it often pushes me in the right direction to find the correct solution for my problem. Like pair programming but a bit shitty.
The best way to use these LLMs with coding is to never use the generated code directly and atomize your problem into smaller questions you ask to the LLM.
So duck programming right?
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Yeah, you're the one who's confused about the definition.
I'd ask you to read the Wikipedia disambiguation page on scaling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaling), but you're likely too scared to consider anything that doesn't conform to your simplistic worldview.
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Bingo. If you routinely use LLM's/AI you've recently seen it first hand. ALL of them have become noticeably worse over the past few months. Even if simply using it as a basic tool, it's worse. Claude for all the praise it receives has also gotten worse. I've noticed it starting to forget context or constantly contradicting itself. even Claude Code.
The release of GPT5 is proof in the pudding that a wall has been hit and the bubble is bursting. There's nothing left to train on and all the LLM's have been consuming each others waste as a result. I've talked about it on here several times already due to my work but companies are also seeing this. They're scrambling to undo the fuck up of using AI to build their stuff, None of what they used it to build scales. None of it. And you go on Linkedin and see all the techbros desperately trying to hype the mounds of shit that remain.
I don't know what's next for AI but this current generation of it is dying. It didn't work.
I was initially impressed by the 'reasoning' features of LLMs, but most recently ChatGPT gave me a response to a question in which it stated five or six possible answers sparated by "oh, but that can't be right, so it must be...", and none of them was right lmao. Thought for like 30 seconds to give me a selection of wrong answers!
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So duck programming right?
And fancier intellisense
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Or you could build the centers in colder climate areas. Here in Finland it's common (maybe even mandatory, I'm not sure) for new datacenters to pull the heat from their systems and use that for district heating. No wasted water and at least you get something useful out of LLMs. Obviously using them as a massive electric boiler is pretty inefficient but energy for heating is needed anyways so at least we can stay warm and get 90s action series fanfic on top of that.
What happens to that heat in summer?
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Get an original joke.
So, you admit that it was funny?
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Bingo. If you routinely use LLM's/AI you've recently seen it first hand. ALL of them have become noticeably worse over the past few months. Even if simply using it as a basic tool, it's worse. Claude for all the praise it receives has also gotten worse. I've noticed it starting to forget context or constantly contradicting itself. even Claude Code.
The release of GPT5 is proof in the pudding that a wall has been hit and the bubble is bursting. There's nothing left to train on and all the LLM's have been consuming each others waste as a result. I've talked about it on here several times already due to my work but companies are also seeing this. They're scrambling to undo the fuck up of using AI to build their stuff, None of what they used it to build scales. None of it. And you go on Linkedin and see all the techbros desperately trying to hype the mounds of shit that remain.
I don't know what's next for AI but this current generation of it is dying. It didn't work.
Any studies about this "getting worse" or just anecdotes? I do routinely use them and I feel they are getting better (my workplace uses Google suite so I have access to gemini). Just last week it helped me debug an ipv6 ra problem that I couldn't crack, and I learned a few useful commands on the way.
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OpenAI will not disclose GPT-5’s energy use. It could be higher than past models
Experts working to benchmark resource use of AI models say new version’s enhanced capabilities come at a steep cost
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
How can anyone look at that face and trust anything that mad man could have to say.
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Wait so the biggest improvement came when there was a massive decline in demand?
The Demand didn't decline. The state imposed a strict high barrier to trade that prevented it from being fulfilled.
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OpenAI will not disclose GPT-5’s energy use. It could be higher than past models
Experts working to benchmark resource use of AI models say new version’s enhanced capabilities come at a steep cost
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
If anyone has ever wondered what it would look like if tech giants went all in on "brute force" programming, this is it. This is what it looks like.
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What happens to that heat in summer?
There's experimental storages where heat is pumped to underground pools or sand, but as far as I know there's heat exchangers and radiators to outside, so majority of excess heat is just wasted to outside. But absolute majority of them are closed loop systems since you need something else than plain water anyways to prevent freezing in the winter.
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I disagree.
There's so much proud ignorance in this world, it's great to always remind the average person how they're contributing to problems they don't even realize.
We should bring their hypocrisy to light, or else they will legitimately go through life thinking that there isn't a problem.
So when people tell you about the positive changes they’ve made you in return like to point out that they still aren’t living up to your standards? I’m not sure that’s the way to go to motivate and inspire people to do better. But you do you I guess.
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1 beef burger is equivalent in water consumption to 7.5million chatgpt queries.
I did a quick calculation and got to around 500 queries per quarter pounder. Lot of guesstimation and rounding though, but I’m pretty sure I got close enough to know that you’re off by quite a lot.
Edit to add:
I used 21.9kg CO2 per 1kg of beef and 4.32 grams per ChatGPT query for my rough estimate.However that 4.32 number is already over a year old. Chances are it’s way outdated but everyone still keeps on quoting it. It definitely does not take into account that ChatGPT often “thinks” now, because chain of thought is likely as expensive as multiple queries by itself. Additionally the models are more advanced than a year ago, but also more costly and that CO2 amount everyone keeps quoting doesn’t even mention which model they used. If anyone can find the original source of this number I’d be very curious.
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I can't imagine any sane person who lives their life guided by marketing hype instead of direct knowledge and experience.
I mean fair enough but also... That makes the vast majority of managers, MBAs, salespeople and "normies" like your grandma and Uncle Bob insane.
Actually questioning stuff that sales people tell you and using critical thinking is a pretty rare skill in this day and age.
That makes the vast majority of managers, MBAs, salespeople and "normies" like your grandma and Uncle Bob insane.
Correct most of these people are insane, the average person is so fucking dumb and insane today its mind numbing.
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