Where would we be without predatory rent-seeking?

Someone's going to make a fortune migrating firms off VMWare onto open-source VMs.

Man could you imagine what proxmox would be if that project got just a tenth of the money VMware got?

Classic prisoners dilemma. Nobody wants to invest in proxmox because not enough people invest in proxmox.

Gonna be obnoxious: Chicken/egg issue. Not really prisoner’s dilemma. PD is essentially deciding to hedge your bets at the cost of the other party or risk worse circumstances through mutual cooperation that could bring about the best result, so long as the other party chooses to cooperate as well.

You should take a look at Canonical's LXD. They've been investing in it pretty heavily and can definitely rival proxmox.

The web based UI is superb and I've never had issues with the CLI which is quite a contrast to my experience with proxmox

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Low-touch virtual infrastructure with LXD at any scale. Built on top of Linux containers, LXD offers a unified user experience in managing system containers, virtual machines and clusters. Easily configurable, flexible and secure way to run your workloads.

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Except then you'd be stuck with Canonical.

This is another good reminder to not use VMware nor VirtualBox for any reason.

I’m out of the loop. Why not virtualbox?

One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

Dunno, Larry well understands what he does unlike most tech CEOs and owners today. Oracle was allied to Sun at some point. Larry has that demonic appearance, but he's less of a threat than literally anybody else of them. Especially since Larry already has enormous power which he abuses less than expected.

It's free and works for me, why should I stop using Virtualbox?

You're talking the CEO of a company who sued Google on the premise that header files, a descriptor file for what commands can be used and what parameters they took, should be copyrighted? The CEO who poisoned the OpenOffice community so thoroughly that the fork, LibreOffice, was founded by the leaders of OpenOffice and became the de facto standard instead of the original, and it happened overnight? That guy?

You’re talking the CEO of a company who sued Google on the premise that header files, a descriptor file for what commands can be used and what parameters they took, should be copyrighted?

Oh. That part I didn't know.

The CEO who poisoned the OpenOffice community so thoroughly that the fork, LibreOffice, was founded by the leaders of OpenOffice and became the de facto standard instead of the original, and it happened overnight? That guy?

Yeah, that was just the habit probably.

Why would anyone use it over qemu? Is this a business enterprise thing?

Bruh they're a copywrite law firm (read as patent troll) with a database and a tech company attached. Pretty much all they do is fuck other people over

Not really. Incus is a fork of LXD that's carrying the torch for community focused containers.

and what to use instead? run qemu commands and all the preparation by hand?

there's proxmox, but that's not a desktop solution.

Interesting. Reminds me of Emby and Jellyfin...

I still don't like the decisions Canonical is making.

Virt-manager is a GUI for libvirt, which can use several hypervisors, including KVM/QEMU, and it works great.

There's several other clients for libvirt, including GNOME Boxes, Cockpit (web based), and virsh (CLI).