Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.

I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.

You absolutely do have pinned tabs on FF. They go double column when you shrink down the sidebar, too, which I like. And they work with tab groups. Can't believe those took so long to steal from Chrome. Did support for groups get integrated into Zen as well? That's probably my line in the sand these days.

I was interested in the Glance concept, but I did not love the implementation. It was hard to tell when you were inside a Glance tab and I ended up struggling to deploy those into a persistent tab if I wanted to keep them for later. The idea was intriguing, but I never clicked with the details of the UX. It always took a little bit more thinking to work around than just... right clicking into new tab, I guess.

It wasn't supposed to stay Apple exclusive. In fact, when I last used Windows there was a beta build out for Arc. However, there were also multiple Firefox styles in the CSS Store that made Firefox into Arc.

Then Zen Browser came out, and I'm currently watching it get very popular. I don't doubt that Zen Browser is one of the reasons Arc is shutting down. It's nearly an exact copy, but now with more features (and is constantly coming out with even more faster than Arc can think of them).

I'm excited for Ladybird as well, but I'm not expecting anything crazy when it comes out of alpha and beta. I fully expect to wait a bit, maybe download to contribute some troubleshooting, but it may not be viable as a main use browser for a long time yet.

So, no Windows, no Linux, no head?

That's very sad to hear. I am currently using Arc as my main browser for work (I am a web developer) since its launch on MacOS. Guess I need to switch browsers soon then...

It'll be a great browser by 2029 IMO, and honestly that's not that long compared to the development time all other browsers have had.

We shall see, I'm excited to start testing it out next year when it's in Alpha

When I eventually managed to test Arc, I felt it was a very overhyped browser. I couldn't see what the fuss was about.

LadyBird

You can already test it out in very early alpha, but I can tell you now that it's just a portal with very basic browser controls. You'll have to build it through the Python script.

I built it through Arch already and its a working browser is about all I can really say about it. The little I tried of it works.

The instructions to build the early alpha are on the github page here.

Yeah, I just don't trust people's recommendations of browsers.

Most of them are too stupid to realize what's going on and how they're being herded like sheep.

I built it through arch

Just had to sneak that in, didn't you?

What's your recommendation then?

What's your recommendation then?

Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.

I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.

Don't trust it, whatever he says

Firefox.

You mean the one from the company that pays out their CEO a fat $6m salary, paid for by Google bribing Mozilla to be the default search engine?

I don't trust your recommendation. Do you even realise you're being herded like sheep?

(I actually use it too, but I won't pretend they're saints. It also occasionally has trouble with some websites, but I haven't done any comprehensive testing to confirm whether it's browser-specific.)