thanks a lot, i’ll check them out!

It probably has something to do with being only available on Macs for so long.

I prefer the overview I get with them. I’m on an ultrawide monitor so it’s not like I’m sacrificing horizontal space either.

Try Zen, it used Arc as its main inspiration for the UI and features

Firefox vertical tabs are lackluster though, you don't have pinned and essential tabs on FF, and you also miss out on Glance (the pop out link feature), basically the main features it copied from Arc. Honestly it's been very stable for me, and it's matured enough that I'd recommend giving it another shot.

Same. I've been using it daily for the best part of a year and it's been pretty pleasant to use throughout.

According to them.

That figure is entirely irrelevant when you need to target users who are willing to try a new unknown third party browser in the first place.
And you'll find orders of magnitude more of those among Linux users than you do on Mac, which is where Arc launched on.

Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.

I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.

Yeah, on a widescreen or 4K, I can see the appeal.

LOL no. 96% is not irrelevant. 4% is irrelevant.

I hated arc but I really really wanted to like it. It was just too awkward to use

So, no Windows, no Linux, no head?

Also Zen exists, which is a Firefox fork that implements the concept of Arc

They're obviously going for a zero adoption policy and trying to think of the most repulsive options

When i left Chrome, one of the things I was looking for was vertical tabs and was willing to try anything. I wasn't fond of a mac first option, but I decided to try it. Installed it and the first thing it did was to force me to make an account, uninstalled it instantly.

I'm not against the option of having an account, but forcing it makes me distrust them. Was not long after that there were also some major security flaws found as well. They really didn't make it easy for people to change, almost like they thought the apple form over function would appeal more broadly.

You absolutely do have pinned tabs on FF. They go double column when you shrink down the sidebar, too, which I like. And they work with tab groups. Can't believe those took so long to steal from Chrome. Did support for groups get integrated into Zen as well? That's probably my line in the sand these days.

I was interested in the Glance concept, but I did not love the implementation. It was hard to tell when you were inside a Glance tab and I ended up struggling to deploy those into a persistent tab if I wanted to keep them for later. The idea was intriguing, but I never clicked with the details of the UX. It always took a little bit more thinking to work around than just... right clicking into new tab, I guess.

Or them completely shifting development to their AI browser

If their code isn't open source, and your searches aren't encrypted in such a way that their logging of them isn't an option, why should you believe them? It's not like there's some precedence that corporations face any legitimate consequences for their crimes. Unless they steal from the wealthy, any consequences will be less than the profits from their crimes.

It wasn't supposed to stay Apple exclusive. In fact, when I last used Windows there was a beta build out for Arc. However, there were also multiple Firefox styles in the CSS Store that made Firefox into Arc.

Then Zen Browser came out, and I'm currently watching it get very popular. I don't doubt that Zen Browser is one of the reasons Arc is shutting down. It's nearly an exact copy, but now with more features (and is constantly coming out with even more faster than Arc can think of them).

I'm excited for Ladybird as well, but I'm not expecting anything crazy when it comes out of alpha and beta. I fully expect to wait a bit, maybe download to contribute some troubleshooting, but it may not be viable as a main use browser for a long time yet.