tab groups in firefox are surprisingly good! even alongside a tab group management addon. they complement each other, like when you don't want to create a bunch of subgroups for an exclusive view but just collapse them

because when you have more than 8 tabs open on a horizontal tab row, the tab handles start to become narrower and tab titles become unreadable and almost useless. with vertical tabs tab titles can be as long as you see fit, and the tab title does not take away space from other tab handles so more can fit. essentially its more space efficient I think.

but I don't use it because my firefox theme breaks down when I set up vertical tabs, and everything will be white, even though I don't even use userchrome customizations

well, i don’t know the last state you know, but they added a floating search bar, which is pretty, but not beneficial beyond that i think. they added a default shortcut for copying the current webaddress which i sorely miss on mullvad.
besides i dont think they added any major features i would’ve noticed, but it feels like a very stable experience atm, both on linux and macos.

thanks a lot, i’ll check them out!

It probably has something to do with being only available on Macs for so long.

I prefer the overview I get with them. I’m on an ultrawide monitor so it’s not like I’m sacrificing horizontal space either.

Try Zen, it used Arc as its main inspiration for the UI and features

Firefox vertical tabs are lackluster though, you don't have pinned and essential tabs on FF, and you also miss out on Glance (the pop out link feature), basically the main features it copied from Arc. Honestly it's been very stable for me, and it's matured enough that I'd recommend giving it another shot.

Same. I've been using it daily for the best part of a year and it's been pretty pleasant to use throughout.

According to them.

That figure is entirely irrelevant when you need to target users who are willing to try a new unknown third party browser in the first place.
And you'll find orders of magnitude more of those among Linux users than you do on Mac, which is where Arc launched on.

Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.

I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.

Yeah, on a widescreen or 4K, I can see the appeal.

LOL no. 96% is not irrelevant. 4% is irrelevant.

I hated arc but I really really wanted to like it. It was just too awkward to use

So, no Windows, no Linux, no head?

Also Zen exists, which is a Firefox fork that implements the concept of Arc

They're obviously going for a zero adoption policy and trying to think of the most repulsive options

When i left Chrome, one of the things I was looking for was vertical tabs and was willing to try anything. I wasn't fond of a mac first option, but I decided to try it. Installed it and the first thing it did was to force me to make an account, uninstalled it instantly.

I'm not against the option of having an account, but forcing it makes me distrust them. Was not long after that there were also some major security flaws found as well. They really didn't make it easy for people to change, almost like they thought the apple form over function would appeal more broadly.

You absolutely do have pinned tabs on FF. They go double column when you shrink down the sidebar, too, which I like. And they work with tab groups. Can't believe those took so long to steal from Chrome. Did support for groups get integrated into Zen as well? That's probably my line in the sand these days.

I was interested in the Glance concept, but I did not love the implementation. It was hard to tell when you were inside a Glance tab and I ended up struggling to deploy those into a persistent tab if I wanted to keep them for later. The idea was intriguing, but I never clicked with the details of the UX. It always took a little bit more thinking to work around than just... right clicking into new tab, I guess.