We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink
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Starlink should be globalized. A planet only needs one low-altitude orbiting communications network. Better to standardize the technology and platform and let them contribute to one system than to have a dozen identical competing systems crashing into each other and fucking things up for everyone.
Ah. My Kessler syndrome is acting up again.
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The automotive manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler were partially nationalized in the wake of the 2008 Financial Crisis as were several banks... these were less a full government takeover and more of a government guided restructuring, but the government owned large stakes in these companies. Before that, the only full nationalization of anything substantial was the bankruptcy of the Penn Central Railroad and subsequent establishment of Consolidated Rail (branded as ConRail) the US's only national freight rail company.
Conrail was later privatized into what is now the private companies CSX and Norfolk Southern. The collapse of Penn Central was the largest bankruptcy in history until Enron in the 1990's. Amtrak, our national passenger rail corporation, is also a nationalized entity created around the same time as ConRail, for similar reasons, and is still nationalized (although the Trump admin wants to privatize it).
Didn't know about Amtrak. Interesting. Thanks
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They weren't as typical with previous SpaceX models, Starship is easily their least successful project.
Since SpaceX is launching large quantities of commercial satellites, big whoop, do you also celebrate when companies buy back stocks?
Why would I celebrate stock buybacks?
Also spacex lost like 20 or so Falcons before their first successful mission. Maybe they will explode as many Starships, but they have hit that number yet.
It’s ok to hate Elon, and there are many valid criticisms to make regarding spacex, but they’re the best in the world right now and it isn’t even close.
The biggest issue with Spacex is that Elon needs to be removed before he ruins it like he ruined Tesla.
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you just defend his right to run spacex on specialK.
Is not the US "the land of the free" ?
Obviously he has the right to run SpaceX, like you have the right to try to build another one.But obviously you seems to not understand what are the implication of setting this kind of precedent and all the implications that will arise. But that's ok, after all the only important thing is to hate Musk.
ffs have better standards in your selection of contractors. or perhaps you're on too much horse tranq too.
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you just defend his right to run spacex on specialK.
Is not the US "the land of the free" ?
Obviously he has the right to run SpaceX, like you have the right to try to build another one.But obviously you seems to not understand what are the implication of setting this kind of precedent and all the implications that will arise. But that's ok, after all the only important thing is to hate Musk.
But obviously you seems to not understand
Yeah, and obviously, you only have a passing familiarity with the english language.
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I don't give two flying fucks who runs space x. Once again. I'm not defending Elon in anyway.
I am expressing my concern about the United States government nationalizing a private company. You're still making bassless assumptions. Pull your head out of your own ass and actually think about what I'm saying before spouting off at the mouth.
then defend his drug use. defend doge. come on, make rational arguments for the bullshit, oh, you can't, that's why you're down to insults.
look fuckwit, you couldn't find your point with a flashlight and a map, and you're telling me to remove my rectum from MY CRANIUM? You want a man addled on horse tranq to run the only company producing orbital launch for the US.
I think it's your head that's rectum-fied. In fact, this entire discourse is dragging me down to your level. Gonna block you, should have done it before. Enjoy your ketamine kid, hope when he's responsible for killing astronauts you pause and reflect.
pfft
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I strongly suspect NASA can manage spaceX better than the ketamine kid. Why don’t you give a fuck about those astronauts who have to put their faith in his hardware? why don’t you give a fuck about the kids who are growing up in an age where that drug addled prick is put up as an icon of success?
ROTFL, SpaceX managed 259 launch in 2024, show me how many launch managed NASA, if they are more than maybe you are right, else...
You think my dislike of Musk is all of spaceX. I don't want him ruining spaceX. Musk is responsible for the launch cadence that keeps exploding, if you'd like to make comparisons.
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then defend his drug use. defend doge. come on, make rational arguments for the bullshit, oh, you can't, that's why you're down to insults.
look fuckwit, you couldn't find your point with a flashlight and a map, and you're telling me to remove my rectum from MY CRANIUM? You want a man addled on horse tranq to run the only company producing orbital launch for the US.
I think it's your head that's rectum-fied. In fact, this entire discourse is dragging me down to your level. Gonna block you, should have done it before. Enjoy your ketamine kid, hope when he's responsible for killing astronauts you pause and reflect.
pfft
Absolute moron. You absolute moron. Once again my argument is about nationalizing a private company.
Is there anything that you'd like to talk about concerning that!
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You think my dislike of Musk is all of spaceX. I don't want him ruining spaceX. Musk is responsible for the launch cadence that keeps exploding, if you'd like to make comparisons.
Wait a minute. It is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding, they had their fair share of failures (and some even letal).
But the main difference is that SpaceX and NASA have different approaches: NASA cannot, for various polical reasons, tolerate a rocket exploding during a test, SpaceX can.
I would argue that NASA, in its current incarnation and political situation, would never be able to design, build and manage something like the Falcon 9.So Musk is not ruining SpaceX with the Starship failures in my opinion, since it is inherent to SpaceX that way to work.
Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.
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Stop cutting their funding and saying the earth is flat and that global warming is a myth.
Stop cutting their funding
Stop electing stupid people and maybe you will get something.
and saying the earth is flat
Stop treating every opinion as worth of discussion even if it is clearly stupid.
and that global warming is a myth.
Start to propose some reasonable solutions and start to pass over the NIMBY syndrome.
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Wait a minute. It is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding, they had their fair share of failures (and some even letal).
But the main difference is that SpaceX and NASA have different approaches: NASA cannot, for various polical reasons, tolerate a rocket exploding during a test, SpaceX can.
I would argue that NASA, in its current incarnation and political situation, would never be able to design, build and manage something like the Falcon 9.So Musk is not ruining SpaceX with the Starship failures in my opinion, since it is inherent to SpaceX that way to work.
Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.
is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding
dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?
fucking hell.
Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.
again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.
if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.
Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm
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is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding
dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?
fucking hell.
Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.
again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.
if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.
Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm
is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket explodingdude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?
Nope, just a regular guy that do not speak English as first language.
But let me rephrase it, even if i am sure you understand what I mean.
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.
You are right. But again, I am sure you understand what I mean, but ok, let me rephrase also this.
Musk is sometime too borderline but I suppose that actually he really don't want to ruin his companies because, for bad as you can think about him, I think is not that stupid.if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.
Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm
Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
Again, you can think what you want about Musk himself, but the track record for SpaceX (over 250 launch in 2024) and Tesla (it demostrated something that every other car manufacturer deemed impossible) does not seems too bad.
And I would like to have an estimate about the "large amounts"But feel free to attack my grammar and hate Musk.
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It is usually due to "budget cuts" as the easiest way to kill a project is to defend it.
Juno Jupiter flyby
Maven mission to mars
New horizons kbo flyby
Terra mission-earth science satellite
Aqua mission -earth science satellite
DSCOVR
SLS-which may actually be a bad program but is a good example of the political issues with NASA vs senate.
Juno Jupiter flyby
But Juno went to Jupiter?
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Juno Jupiter flyby
But Juno went to Jupiter?
These programs require continuous funding. The probe went to Jupiter. The scientist and listening stations back on earth still have to run to receive the data.
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Don't buy into the grifts. Dismantle them.
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we should probably invest in making sure people have affordable housing, food, and healthcare before worrying about militarising space.
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is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket explodingdude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?
Nope, just a regular guy that do not speak English as first language.
But let me rephrase it, even if i am sure you understand what I mean.
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.
You are right. But again, I am sure you understand what I mean, but ok, let me rephrase also this.
Musk is sometime too borderline but I suppose that actually he really don't want to ruin his companies because, for bad as you can think about him, I think is not that stupid.if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.
Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm
Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
Again, you can think what you want about Musk himself, but the track record for SpaceX (over 250 launch in 2024) and Tesla (it demostrated something that every other car manufacturer deemed impossible) does not seems too bad.
And I would like to have an estimate about the "large amounts"But feel free to attack my grammar and hate Musk.
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.
this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60's tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy's goal of humans on the moon first). There's no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.
Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.
Your comparison is invalid.
Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
No, I think he's distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he'd step down.
None of this is complex. I'm glad you speak english well enough to reorder your thoughts in a comprehensible manner, but the premise remains unchanged. Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.
I will feel free to attack musk, didn't need your permission but thanks!
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When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.
this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60's tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy's goal of humans on the moon first). There's no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.
Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.
Your comparison is invalid.
Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
No, I think he's distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he'd step down.
None of this is complex. I'm glad you speak english well enough to reorder your thoughts in a comprehensible manner, but the premise remains unchanged. Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.
I will feel free to attack musk, didn't need your permission but thanks!
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.
this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60’s tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy’s goal of humans on the moon first). There’s no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.
Your comparison is invalid.
Only if you could link the fact that Musk is on horse drugs with the fact that Starship explodes.
The starting point was that I dismissed the point that Musk is ruining SpaceX (since Starship's test are not that good) and the fact that he is on drugs.Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.
I don't see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
What I can see from here is that Musk is doing the right thing (trying to make the government more efficient and cheaper) using a completely wrong method, to which I agree.Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
No, I think he’s distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he’d step down.
I don't think it could do it anymore, at least not to the level you think.
Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.
I am not sure. What I think from here (Europe) is that, as I said, Musk is doing the right thing in the wrong (very wrong) way if we speak about DOGE. If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don't seems to do that bad after all.
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When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.
this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60’s tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy’s goal of humans on the moon first). There’s no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.
Your comparison is invalid.
Only if you could link the fact that Musk is on horse drugs with the fact that Starship explodes.
The starting point was that I dismissed the point that Musk is ruining SpaceX (since Starship's test are not that good) and the fact that he is on drugs.Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.
I don't see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
What I can see from here is that Musk is doing the right thing (trying to make the government more efficient and cheaper) using a completely wrong method, to which I agree.Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
No, I think he’s distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he’d step down.
I don't think it could do it anymore, at least not to the level you think.
Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.
I am not sure. What I think from here (Europe) is that, as I said, Musk is doing the right thing in the wrong (very wrong) way if we speak about DOGE. If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don't seems to do that bad after all.
I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.
Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish. This dickwad said "the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy".
If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don’t seems to do that bad after all.
haha tesla is cratering in the EU and that cybertruck sure is a winner. pfft
Tesla's monthly sales in Europe plunge by almost 50% amid protests and backlash against Elon Musk
Tesla's brand is the focus of a backlash against CEO Elon Musk for his political views and involvement with President Trump's DOGE.
(www.cbsnews.com)
Cybertruck Sales Are So Bad That We Gasped
In the entire first quarter of 2025, Tesla has managed to sell just 7,100 Cybertrucks in the US, according to data from S&P Global Mobility.
Futurism (futurism.com)
You are so detached from reality it's disgusting. This discussion has been absolutely pointless.
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I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.
Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish. This dickwad said "the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy".
If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don’t seems to do that bad after all.
haha tesla is cratering in the EU and that cybertruck sure is a winner. pfft
Tesla's monthly sales in Europe plunge by almost 50% amid protests and backlash against Elon Musk
Tesla's brand is the focus of a backlash against CEO Elon Musk for his political views and involvement with President Trump's DOGE.
(www.cbsnews.com)
Cybertruck Sales Are So Bad That We Gasped
In the entire first quarter of 2025, Tesla has managed to sell just 7,100 Cybertrucks in the US, according to data from S&P Global Mobility.
Futurism (futurism.com)
You are so detached from reality it's disgusting. This discussion has been absolutely pointless.
I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.
And incidentally SpaceX is the only US entity to have a ship certified for human flight. Where is the Dragon's equivalent of NASA ? Or any other company/state agency.
Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish.
An agency created in the 1960's to fight URSS influence. Maybe it is time to let it go and start with something else, don't you think ?
Or maybe it is time that US start to think that without everyone else it is nothing and begin to be an reliable ally and not one that can change idea every 2 years.This dickwad said “the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy”.
To be honest, empathy is something you should be aware of after a certain point.
But whatever...
