I don't give two flying fucks who runs space x. Once again. I'm not defending Elon in anyway.

I am expressing my concern about the United States government nationalizing a private company. You're still making bassless assumptions. Pull your head out of your own ass and actually think about what I'm saying before spouting off at the mouth.

I strongly suspect NASA can manage spaceX better than the ketamine kid. Why don’t you give a fuck about those astronauts who have to put their faith in his hardware? why don’t you give a fuck about the kids who are growing up in an age where that drug addled prick is put up as an icon of success?

ROTFL, SpaceX managed 259 launch in 2024, show me how many launch managed NASA, if they are more than maybe you are right, else...

then defend his drug use. defend doge. come on, make rational arguments for the bullshit, oh, you can't, that's why you're down to insults.

look fuckwit, you couldn't find your point with a flashlight and a map, and you're telling me to remove my rectum from MY CRANIUM? You want a man addled on horse tranq to run the only company producing orbital launch for the US.

I think it's your head that's rectum-fied. In fact, this entire discourse is dragging me down to your level. Gonna block you, should have done it before. Enjoy your ketamine kid, hope when he's responsible for killing astronauts you pause and reflect.

pfft

You think my dislike of Musk is all of spaceX. I don't want him ruining spaceX. Musk is responsible for the launch cadence that keeps exploding, if you'd like to make comparisons.

Stop cutting their funding and saying the earth is flat and that global warming is a myth.

Wait a minute. It is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding, they had their fair share of failures (and some even letal).

But the main difference is that SpaceX and NASA have different approaches: NASA cannot, for various polical reasons, tolerate a rocket exploding during a test, SpaceX can.
I would argue that NASA, in its current incarnation and political situation, would never be able to design, build and manage something like the Falcon 9.

So Musk is not ruining SpaceX with the Starship failures in my opinion, since it is inherent to SpaceX that way to work.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding

dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?

fucking hell.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.

if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.

Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm

It is usually due to "budget cuts" as the easiest way to kill a project is to defend it.

Juno Jupiter flyby

Maven mission to mars

New horizons kbo flyby

Terra mission-earth science satellite

Aqua mission -earth science satellite

DSCOVR

SLS-which may actually be a bad program but is a good example of the political issues with NASA vs senate.

Juno Jupiter flyby

But Juno went to Jupiter?

is not that NASA when developed the rocket that culminated with the Apollo V did not even had a rocket exploding

dude english, wtf is this sentence even supposed to say? are you an LLM?

Nope, just a regular guy that do not speak English as first language.

But let me rephrase it, even if i am sure you understand what I mean.
When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

Then that Musk is sometime a little too borderline is true, but I suppose that now he cannot really ruin any of his companies, for whatever you can think about him I really doubt that he is that stupid.

again with the word salad. english better be your third or 4th language.

You are right. But again, I am sure you understand what I mean, but ok, let me rephrase also this.
Musk is sometime too borderline but I suppose that actually he really don't want to ruin his companies because, for bad as you can think about him, I think is not that stupid.

if you doubt his stupidity, then evaluate the logic of doing large amounts OF HORSE TRANQUALIZER WHILE MANAGING MULTIPLE COMPANIES AND LAUNCHING ROCKETS.

Come on, make that one make sense word salad llm

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?
Again, you can think what you want about Musk himself, but the track record for SpaceX (over 250 launch in 2024) and Tesla (it demostrated something that every other car manufacturer deemed impossible) does not seems too bad.
And I would like to have an estimate about the "large amounts"

But feel free to attack my grammar and hate Musk.

When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60's tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy's goal of humans on the moon first). There's no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.

Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.

Your comparison is invalid.

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?

No, I think he's distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he'd step down.

None of this is complex. I'm glad you speak english well enough to reorder your thoughts in a comprehensible manner, but the premise remains unchanged. Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.

I will feel free to attack musk, didn't need your permission but thanks!

When NASA was developing the rocket to go to the moon (the Apollo V) they had their large shares of failures, exactly like SpaceX is having now while developing Starship (and before it, the Falcon 9) which is even more complex and bigger than the Apollo V.

this is a specious comparison. NASA was racing the soviets using 1950 and 60’s tech, and it cost lives, but there was a driving motivation for the tempo (kennedy’s goal of humans on the moon first). There’s no contemporary equivalent. And no NASA director was EVER ON HORSE DRUGS. Period.

Your comparison is invalid.

Only if you could link the fact that Musk is on horse drugs with the fact that Starship explodes.
The starting point was that I dismissed the point that Musk is ruining SpaceX (since Starship's test are not that good) and the fact that he is on drugs.

Nor did any NASA director ever try to manage multiple fortune 500 companies WHILE on ketamine while DANCING AROUND WITH A CHAINSAW and fucking with our government.

I don't see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.
What I can see from here is that Musk is doing the right thing (trying to make the government more efficient and cheaper) using a completely wrong method, to which I agree.

Wait, do you really think that Musk is the one that is doing all the jobs at Tesla and SpaceX ?

No, I think he’s distorting the work of thousands of talented people (Shotwell down) for EGO. If he truly cared he’d step down.

I don't think it could do it anymore, at least not to the level you think.

Musk represents a larger threat to SpaceX and NASA and the US than any potential benefit to those same parties.

I am not sure. What I think from here (Europe) is that, as I said, Musk is doing the right thing in the wrong (very wrong) way if we speak about DOGE. If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don't seems to do that bad after all.

I don’t see the problem: NASA was a state agency, SpaceX is private.

lives are literally at stake, grow the fuck up.

Elon Musk decided to wreck USAID. The death toll is ghoulish. This dickwad said "the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy".

If we speak about SpaceX and Tesla, well, it don’t seems to do that bad after all.

haha tesla is cratering in the EU and that cybertruck sure is a winner. pfft

Tesla's monthly sales in Europe plunge by almost 50% amid protests and backlash against Elon Musk

Tesla's brand is the focus of a backlash against CEO Elon Musk for his political views and involvement with President Trump's DOGE.

(www.cbsnews.com)

Cybertruck Sales Are So Bad That We Gasped

In the entire first quarter of 2025, Tesla has managed to sell just 7,100 Cybertrucks in the US, according to data from S&P Global Mobility.

Futurism (futurism.com)

You are so detached from reality it's disgusting. This discussion has been absolutely pointless.

A strawman is when somebody mischaracterize an argument, calling someone a tankie is not that.

And this is relevant how?

I mean companies can force him out by themselves if they're pressured enough. Also all companies make unsuccessful business bets. What matters is that from a neutral third person point of view, these companies aren't doing anything that they're not supposed to be doing. They're putting sectors of the American economy in danger of collapse, they're not committing crimes left and right, and their services are satisfactory for most people.

They landed people on the moon and then did fuck all for decades.

Indeed, all i was saying is that they were capable given budget and circumstances.

That budget and direction comes from the government.

When Musk started SpaceX he was not well known yet, SpaceX came before Tesla.

I will admit, i thought spacex was just another company he bought his way in to, like tesla, seems i was mistaken about that.

He was able to get into the businesses he has because he was rich yes, but you can find many accounts of engineers that worked under him speak of how good he was at finding ways to cut unnecessary costs.

And you can equally find many accounts of having to distract him from the day to day operations because he's unreliable , unpredictable and chaotic (none of those meant in a good way).

He's also known for buying good press and using litigation to silence people.

He’s not a technical genius that’s for sure. But he has been a good CEO for SpaceX.

I doubt this, but that could just be bias, i don't have any actual evidence of the long term impact of him as CEO.

Recently though, he's provably been significantly more of a liability than a benefit, even if just from a PR and public sentiment point of view.

But I refuse to simply wave away his achievements simply because I don’t like him. I can not like someone and still acknowledge they have done something good.

Indeed, i push back on the myth that he's some self made tony stark genius, but it isn't like he's not achieved anything.

I would personally attribute most of that to neptoism, wealth, luck and opportunity, but that doesn't remove the achievement itself.