Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?

When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?

But that's it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It's basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target

I mean, fuck palantir and I really don't like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You're hitting just what you mean to hit

And that's what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you're not supposed to attack noncombatants

Let's not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification...

Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they're obviously not going to start acting in good faith now

Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel's intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why..

I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.

Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.

Out his ass like everyone on the internet.

Thanks person from the Meloni Mussolini country

Okay buddy Nazi sympathetizer

But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

No, they're not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable "precision."

That's why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.

There is no "international authority". It's all big stick politics out there. It's like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The "punishments" when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.

Think about your boss shorting you $100. The "legal" process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.

Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you're cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.

It's even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That's not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.

The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It's a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.

One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.

There is no "international authority". It's all big stick politics out there. It's like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The "punishments" when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.

Think about your boss shorting you $100. The "legal" process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.

Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you're cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.

It's even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That's not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.

The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It's a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel's current actions say this wasn't a simple "what if..." contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.

The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.

The other is the world's biggest bully and largest exporter of "freedom", as seen in Lybia, Iraq and even Iran back in the 1950s

The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?