Matrix is cooked
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It seems in line with everything mentioned here:
New Vector scores $8.5M to plug more users into its open, decentralized messaging Matrix | TechCrunch
New Vector, a European startup founded in 2017 by the creators of an open, decentralized communications standard called Matrix to drive adoption and grow
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This being the sad outcome, 5 years later.
Hopefully you're wearing a cinnabon on your head.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 00:25 zuletzt editiert von just_another_person@lemmy.world6 years ago, first of all.
Second, this project has transitioned literally everything away from that.
It literally has no relevant point.
Just someone ranting against shit they known nothing about, your link going further to prove that point.
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schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 00:27 zuletzt editiert vonNo, it's neither of those things.
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We got that. It literally provides no backstory or proof to any claims made though.
Like you just quoted something...okay, so if that's the case, links, because it would be publicly known.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 00:29 zuletzt editiert vonNow you're just moving the goal posts. You claimed the article was AI generated and assumed it was talking about a separate entity also called Matrix, when neither of those things are true. I also didn't 'just quote something', I quoted the above article.
But fine:
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Truth is, to get right to the point, the fact that Matrix was accompanied by a for-profit entity, funded by venture capital was the biggest mistake that Matrix as a project has ever made.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 02:49 zuletzt editiert vonI mean I can still self host, what's that got to do with anything? Their server is gonna be freemium so what?
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Now you're just moving the goal posts. You claimed the article was AI generated and assumed it was talking about a separate entity also called Matrix, when neither of those things are true. I also didn't 'just quote something', I quoted the above article.
But fine:
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 05:27 zuletzt editiert vonMan, I hope that guy has a tasty hat.
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I mean I can still self host, what's that got to do with anything? Their server is gonna be freemium so what?
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 06:02 zuletzt editiert vonIt's clear matrix.org is being run by scumbags trying to take advantage of useful idiots.
The protocol itself seems good, though.
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It's clear matrix.org is being run by scumbags trying to take advantage of useful idiots.
The protocol itself seems good, though.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 08:29 zuletzt editiert vonHave you actually met any of them at say, Fosdem?
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It's clear matrix.org is being run by scumbags trying to take advantage of useful idiots.
The protocol itself seems good, though.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 08:31 zuletzt editiert vonEh, as long as they don't fuck with the protocol I don't really care. NGL. The community can always maintain a list of instances to defederate from. That can also include matrix.org
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Truth is, to get right to the point, the fact that Matrix was accompanied by a for-profit entity, funded by venture capital was the biggest mistake that Matrix as a project has ever made.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 09:21 zuletzt editiert vonThis seems a bit of an odd take. Matrix.org making their server freemium is up to them - charging some users to use the service (not the software) is a way of keeping the lights on. Better that than ads or selling user data. Lots of privacy focused orgs do the same - Proton, Tuta, Mailbox, Mullvad, IVPN. If people also have an issue with Element - don't use Element, use one of the other apps.
If people are this upset, its not impossible (or even that hard) to migrate to a different server - or host your own.
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Truth is, to get right to the point, the fact that Matrix was accompanied by a for-profit entity, funded by venture capital was the biggest mistake that Matrix as a project has ever made.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 14:41 zuletzt editiert vonToday I learned that VC funded companies are not allowed to invest in open source projects. Matrix would be nowhere near its current state if it wasn’t thanks to Element. It’s not the best, but it’s far from “cooked”.
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Truth is, to get right to the point, the fact that Matrix was accompanied by a for-profit entity, funded by venture capital was the biggest mistake that Matrix as a project has ever made.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 15:14 zuletzt editiert vonXMPP chads, we won!
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This seems a bit of an odd take. Matrix.org making their server freemium is up to them - charging some users to use the service (not the software) is a way of keeping the lights on. Better that than ads or selling user data. Lots of privacy focused orgs do the same - Proton, Tuta, Mailbox, Mullvad, IVPN. If people also have an issue with Element - don't use Element, use one of the other apps.
If people are this upset, its not impossible (or even that hard) to migrate to a different server - or host your own.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 15:21 zuletzt editiert von zangoose@lemmy.worldI think the problem is that the Matrix Foundation (non-profit org) is being slowly cannibalized by Element (for-profit, VC-funded) which ends up making their costs and profit expectations a lot higher.
Right now this is only impacting the matrix.org homeserver. However, this could eventually end up impacting protocol-level design choices that harm other instances as well. Sure, you could fork the protocol and clients, but now we're talking about taking up the work that an entire organization had previously been doing. Not impossible if an existing organization like the FSF or Linux Foundation started backing something, but not a great place to be in either.
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Second biggest mistake next to them working for law enforcement.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 15:29 zuletzt editiert vonSo if FBI has an internal Lemmy instance we should start boycotting Lemmy?
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Today I learned that VC funded companies are not allowed to invest in open source projects. Matrix would be nowhere near its current state if it wasn’t thanks to Element. It’s not the best, but it’s far from “cooked”.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 17:30 zuletzt editiert von lwd@lemm.eedeleted by creator
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This seems a bit of an odd take. Matrix.org making their server freemium is up to them - charging some users to use the service (not the software) is a way of keeping the lights on. Better that than ads or selling user data. Lots of privacy focused orgs do the same - Proton, Tuta, Mailbox, Mullvad, IVPN. If people also have an issue with Element - don't use Element, use one of the other apps.
If people are this upset, its not impossible (or even that hard) to migrate to a different server - or host your own.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 20:55 zuletzt editiert vonYeah they have the rights to do it, doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, doesn't mean it won't negatively impact the future of the project.
Redis had the rights to change the license of redis, look at where that led them.
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Yeah they have the rights to do it, doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, doesn't mean it won't negatively impact the future of the project.
Redis had the rights to change the license of redis, look at where that led them.
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 21:27 zuletzt editiert von lwd@lemm.eedeleted by creator
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Eh, as long as they don't fuck with the protocol I don't really care. NGL. The community can always maintain a list of instances to defederate from. That can also include matrix.org
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 21:36 zuletzt editiert vonfucking with the protocol is what they do the most
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fucking with the protocol is what they do the most
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 23:11 zuletzt editiert vonCan you elaborate how? I'm curious
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So if FBI has an internal Lemmy instance we should start boycotting Lemmy?
schrieb am 16. Juni 2025, 23:34 zuletzt editiert vonAs far as I know Lemmy didn’t profit off of making their instance, nor do they have contracts with law enforcement to implement it for them. The same cannot be said for Matrix Foundation.
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Yeah they have the rights to do it, doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, doesn't mean it won't negatively impact the future of the project.
Redis had the rights to change the license of redis, look at where that led them.
schrieb am 17. Juni 2025, 00:17 zuletzt editiert vonHard to see how them choosing to charge money to access their server will affect the future of the project, even them choosing to not run a free for anyone server any more wouldn't necessarily affect the future of the project because the project is not to provide a free for all server but to develop software. Either way, them trying to find a way to keep the server operating certainly doesn't mean 'Matrix is cooked'.
As far as Redis goes, as I understand it, they moved their software away from an open source license. There's zero indication Matrix are going to do the same thing.
